# The Untold Story of Computing's Biggest Revolution!

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- **Канал:** Varun Mayya
- **YouTube:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1OidAmWEeM
- **Дата:** 02.08.2024
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- **Источник:** https://ekstraktznaniy.ru/video/12196

## Описание

Dive into the future of AI and computing with Qualcomm's Kedar Kondap (SVP and GM, Compute and Gaming, Qualcomm Technologies, INC). In this exclusive interview, we explore how Qualcomm is revolutionizing the tech industry, from mobile phones to PCs and beyond.

Whether you're a tech enthusiast, developer, or just curious about the future of AI, this interview offers a fascinating glimpse into the chip technology that will shape our daily lives in the coming years.

00:00 - Highlights
00:53 - Introduction and background on Qualcomm
04:35 - What Qualcomm does
09:59 - Evolution of computing and predictions for AI
14:20 - Discussion of on-device AI capabilities
20:46 - Gaming and Qualcomm's role in the gaming industry
23:40 - Qualcomm's consumer-facing strategy
25:28 - Future of mobile phones and personalization
28:23 - Privacy considerations with on-device AI
31:15 - Consumer feedback on Qualcomm products
32:20 - Closing thoughts on the future of technology

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### Highlights []

for us it's all about looking at an industry that we go after where we can drive disruption and drive technology leadership why are you building a consumer story for Qualcomm as well like this is a business question why the play on consumer every consumer is extremely aware today consumer knows what they want even when you think about a consumer that is or an employee that is walking into an Enterprise knows exactly what laptop they want I had this one a really old computer at home and I remember playing road rash on it and I still remember the dialup modem I had you've been around since even before that to see go from there to here must have been phenomenal I would still love to know your predictions on where this AI race is going in general with AI there's going to be so much personalization and uh there isn't a single industry that I believe is not going to get affected by AI in a positive way how do you think privacy will evolve with personalization lovely Kar thank you so

### Introduction and background on Qualcomm [0:53]

much for um joining us you know I'll tell you uh a very interesting story about me and Qualcomm so I was uh I remember one of my first phones right I'm not going to mention the name of the phone but I was basically I was looking through the specs you know there was this time there was this era when I was young and everyone when they're young they're comparing phones and you don't have too much money and you're like should I buy this one or and I remember reading about this thing called the snap dragon right and I thought that was a damn cool name and for a very long time I thought the company's name was Snapdragon and I was like yeah does this have the snap dragon does have Snap Dragon then finally you know as you age you learn you know the story behind companies so then I realized oh well Qualcomm makes Snapdragon so I think it's an absolute uh honor to have you here and have you uh who's been in this space for so long you've been working in Computing for you know since I was a young toddler um to have you here and enlighten me and our audience on you know what exactly Qualcomm is doing what is this entire AI race going to look like for businesses like very keen to understand this but I want to start with your story I think this story is useful for everybody watching because everyone wants to work at one of the large companies right semiconductor companies or chips companies or even the fangs and I think Qualcomm is definitely up there so I Want To Know Your Story how did you get here in the first place first war thanks for having me um I watched a ton of your podcast and stuff very impressive so what you've done uh at this I know you're being very humble but uh it's incredible um uh in fact it's my privilege to be able to join you here um you know as you said it's obviously very exciting to be at qualcom um more so being at the current position that we are it's even more exciting given what we're doing in uh disrupting some of the industries uh personally for me I've been at qualcom since 2007 I've been there a long time I started with uh ironically with in the PC space if you remember back then with uh there have been a few attempts at this and uh since then I moved to mobile uh I ran the mobile product management for many years and then most recently I am with the compute and gaming team I run that business so it's pretty exciting I think qualcom is a great place for us and uh you know um I'm sure we'll be talking more about what does one study to have this career path and what interest did you have growing up to eventually end up here you know in general I background wise obviously I'm an engineer I've done I'm a very traditional engineer I did my engineering started as an engineer moved into doing uh um product management I did my MBA exactly a true where you go from engineering to uh product management to strategy to Leading the business so very Ty exactly how what uh you know uh most parents I think don't want you to do is uh follow a particular path but uh but it's exciting I mean it's great to uh it's what excites me I've been always more in the on the marketing business side always um from that perspective it's great but uh you know at quom it's fun it's uh you know it's really exciting in terms of uh you know at heart what a technology company right when you think about it uh we always think of Technology innovation um you know we always have tough choices to make at any given time in terms of what we do we'll always a in the S side of leading with technology so any of the products that you think about at Qualcomm you'll see our messaging is uh much less marketing and a lot more technology in fact to the point where we'll only talk about tech a lot more so but over all it's exciting I think uh you know we an R& D company and we are pride ourselves in what we do

### What Qualcomm does [4:35]

so tell me one thing right everybody knows everybody watching knows Qualcomm is a big company and the only mystery for most of these people is what happens inside Qualcomm like do you guys actually go pick up sand and eventually make things or you know is there like a process where you have a bunch of third party manufacturers what does the company actually do if you have to describe what Qualcomm does in like you know few sentences sure you know at heart War were uh like I said were a Communications company is how we started u we started what does Communications mean Communications means starting with modems so anything that communicates and now we're in the age of AI so obviously we're leveraging that off of a Communications company uh based off of AI but uh we started with uh modems uh for you know audience that don't know it's what uh connects to your cellular services in the back endend and uh we started with that and it was a natural program ression for us to be able to do the first technology which was called CDMA back in the day uh code Division multiplexing and uh you know our Founders started with that they LED with technology to drive it into smart into feature phones and obviously now they've evolved into smartphones uh over the years but and it technology has evolved like now you we refer to all of that as 2G 3G 4G 5G and that's the technology we work on um just migrating off of that or transitioning from that it was a natural progression to go into mobile devices in phones and uh as you think about that we've now um almost Diversified ourselves into many businesses uh right from whether it is Automotive whether it is iot industrial iot um were in obviously in cell phones with mobile uh in XR uh we're obviously in uh PCS now in a big way that we're entering we're in gaming so for us it's all about looking at an industry that we go after where we can drive disruption and drive technology leadership right so exact same thing what we're going to do in PCS uh and I we'll talk about it more but if you think about uh what we've done I'll give you a simple example right back in the day when you think about mobile phones you wouldn't get a very good GPS signal when you're in the middle of a very dense urban area you know you couldn't get you couldn't figure out where you're going yeah and the one of the ways we solve that problem is you had multiple uh GPS satellites and we triangulated that we had Wi-Fi positioning stuff we triangulated all of that so now when you think about it where do you think of uh you know an Ola driver or somebody calling and say boss I don't have a GPS signal I don't know where you are exactly it doesn't happen right so when you think about the kind of innovation that has happened I'll give you another example think of cameras right we uh when you drive the migration of cameras in Mobile phones and almost replacing uh DSLR or professional level cameras for normal consumptions it's incredible right and that is because we have such a dedicated image signal processor or a camera core inside our chips and we focused on understanding that migration right same thing with 4G right a lot of us asked us and said why are you adding 4G like who needs such high speeds and I still remember talking about uh saying think of a use case where you know you're going to try to download a movie before you get on a long flight You' forgotten about it and everybody said no no come on where are you going to download a movie and you know here I am today exactly the kind of thing I do myself right before I jump on a long flight I'm trying to download movie so it's those kind of things that uh you know when you look back and you think about oh back then it didn't sound uh as cool but today everybody's using it so is the kind of stuff at qualcom that we like to do and then I can talk about this in any of the businesses that we're in and the factory process if you had to describe it to a lay man from zero to how a chip comes out you know uh off the system can you quickly describe it for us yeah so it's actually pretty straightforward right we have uh we design silicate in uh simple uh lingo we have microprocessors and we have designs um we build the S so it's a what's an S so for the audience you really dump this down this is perfect system on a chip and so you have multiple transistors U think close to about a few billion transistors that are inside a chip a small chip on a small little chip and uh you know you have these chips that uh actually um uh we tape this out to a Foundry which actually manufactures the chip right and so when you get the Silicon back we uh do our own software we do all of the testing in Qualcomm and then the fun part is we help a lot of our partners whether it's our OEM Partners like the Oppo VI xiaomi on the mobile side or Samsung or you talk about Dell HP lovos and stuff we help them with like Camera Tuning and you know how do you make it the image quality be uh incredible and so a lot of those features that you see it's funny because back in the day more I think it's more like 10 15 years back uh we talked about Bou right and we had to go tell people that Bou is actually a very cool thing and background blur is important and now we all take it for granted right so the kind of things we evolve with so you start with silicon you build the software you create differentiating all these experiences that uh resonate with consumers and stuff that's the kind of stuff we do and like I said once you see the product in someone's hands and uh you see somebody using that chip and stuff it just feels very gratifying you're turning sand to memes in a way but that's superb so one of the

### Evolution of computing and predictions for AI [9:59]

questions I had right and this is a question I've been meaning to ask you since I knew we were going to be chatting what is this I mean the evolution of computing since the time you were around and I'll tell you my first interaction with the computer right I had this one of the one of a really old computer at home and I remember playing road rash on it right I don't know if you if everybody remembers road rash but I was playing road rash on it had you know some if I don't remember the details but some mb's worth of ram right it had um uh it had maybe like a gig worth of storage I had a floppy disc worth you know like I don't remember the exact numbers because it's been so long ago and I still remember the dialup modem I had right you've been around since even before that to see it go from there to here must have been phenomenal but I'm sure because you've seen those last 10 years and I now I know nobody else can predict the nobody can predict the future I would still love to know your predictions on where this AI race is going in fact I would love to know where do you think 2024 is going with the AI race and then you know how does that change Computing and then where does that end up in 2025 2026 and Beyond we'll talk about I'll get to your question but talk about floppy discs and since you've reminded me of um how I should remember them I don't know if you remember the older floppy disc you probably don't you're very young is you know you'd have to put that big floppy disc inside and then actually lock the thing and then you have small no no it was even before that you actually had to turn the knob down see I told you uh and then so the newer ones were much smaller uh that came in but anyways it's a good reminder of how technology has evolved um your question around Ai and stuff right look in general with AI there's going to be so much personalization um it's all about uh driving efficiency it's trying to drive uh meaningful acceleration of things that we do in our daily lives right and there isn't a single industry that I believe is not going to get affected by AI in a positive way right you talk about manufacturing you talk about code generation like I'll give you an example right if AI can help you uh debug code or help accelerate your products get to Market it can help solve problems for you in a much more meaningful way um if you have a manufacturing line for example and uh you know you're on a stop ship because there's a problem and if AI is going to help you debug that very quickly help you understand we're talking pure dollars at the end of the day right so there isn't a single industry or if you're talking about law and it's going to take tons and tons of documents summarize them for you and do things so there isn't a single industry that's not going to get affected I think for us we believe this is just the beginning right and uh we've taken a bet in terms of AI U talking about where we think these use cases will run for example you know the newer word if you've heard is uh a neural Processing Unit which is the npu we all know about CPUs we believe the last uh you know 20 years back it was the decade of CPUs the last 10 years were the decade of gpus and you know we believe that uh you know the next decade will be all about the npus and we took this bed seven six seven years ago when we added our first npu so the way I would uh categorize that is when you can run certain tasks with much more um that are more efficient or that are going to be more capable in terms of giving you higher performance you can actually offload them to run on the neural processor and you still have your CPU and GPU to do other tasks that you would normally do so the world of AI is going to change and depends on where you are right from whether it's video editing and obviously you guys do a ton of that stuff or whether it's audio or any of the use cases I think the industry is set to change uh which is why as Qualcomm we're helping accelerate and help developers get to that stage faster right so we're providing them tools we've created something just as an example something called AI Hub right the models are changing so rapidly people are trying to create models that we want developers to be able to have a simple access to all these models and not have to worry about each optimizing to each and every individual model so for us it's all about optimizations and like I said before it's all about driving technology and we want to make this as ubiquitous as we can to developers so

### Discussion of on-device AI capabilities [14:20]

but you do think it's going to be personalized and on a computer or on your phone absolutely the whole point of running on device Ai and the fact that you know we talked about uh I'll talk about Snapdragon X Elite we haven't talked about that yet which is the PC chip we've announced more recently with the X Elite and the plus we have a 45 tops for what it's worth it's trillion operations per second think of that as uh just a very powerful uh processor and you can actually run close to 13 billion parameter models on device right and so real time yes so you're talking about running many of the models or a lot of the works that we talked about whether it's code gen whether it's any of the use cases I talked about being able to run it on device right so this is going to start evolving and granted there will be hybrid cases you know if you have a model that's greater than 13 it's partially going to go hybrid and if it's a lot larger of course it's going to go to the cloud and you know over time models will get quantize and they'll shrink in size and can you explain what quantization is it's uh think of it as taking a model and reducing its size while still maintaining its accuracy right so think of it a simple way of just taking uh something being able to run it in a smaller size and uh while protecting its accuracy so you feel like the models are going to be crunched down and then be brought on device and that is going to give all of us that God in a box right without us having to sort of rely on the cloud and have to pay subscription like my biggest the thing I'm super excited about is the end of subscriptions yeah okay now that's a personal opinion but I feel like with the mobile phones with the laptops it just feels like we're ending the era of subscription because you needed subscription because you wanted these tools and these tools were expensive and somebody built them out and you'd have to pay for cloud service whatever you use an online video editor you're playing you're paying something to offset some of their costs but the minute you bring that locally the only cost you have is electricity right and there's a lot of Open Source tools by people who really want to contribute to the ecosystem they're tools by you folks and the partners that you worked with they're saying well you want an alternative to a background eraser we have that on the you know on the laptops and the mobile phone so I think that part is pretty impressive because I can't wait for a world where I flip open my phone and then I have everything inside my phone I don't need to use the cloud I can be in the middle of nowhere with no Wi-Fi no internet and still be able to you know get advice on how do I do CPR right I think that's uh pretty impressive but yeah I mean for a very long time I've known Qualcomm as a mobile chipset company when did that change um when I say word um when you also think about us as a mobile company we've like I said we've always been in Communications for us a lot of the adjacent businesses that we talk about whether it's XR whether it's PCS it's a very natural progression for us cuz when you think of the underlying technology be it the CPU or the graphics code which is the GPU or the camera the audio the video course um we've built those inh house right and so we have a lot of strength in those areas and so for us it's just a natural progression as we go to other businesses and uh try to help uh disrupt the space and I'll speak excuse me I'll speak more about uh the PCS as an example you know honestly what on PCS haven't seen excitement in many years in the window space right there just hasn't been a PC that has been uh that has created uh excitement around it and so we believe right from simple things you just talked about battery life and power and you said well the only thing I have to worry about is electricity you get huge benefits with the ex Elite with performance per what and uh and what is the ex Elite here um Snapdragon xelite it is the new processor platform that we just announced uh it's mainly targeted towards uh towards laptops uh we have more than seven Partners like Dell HP Lenovo Microsoft Samsung ASA Asus that have all announced devices with us and there's more than 22 platforms available in market now so uh all of these oems have launched platforms uh Microsoft has announced co-pilot plus which is U the next generation of uh experiences in Windows and today they run exclusively on uh the X Elite and the X+ platforms and X Plus and X Elite are just two uh platforms within the X series of qualcom so I highly encourage all of your viewers to try these platforms they're pretty compelling wow I mean so you really bullish on the PC race then this is something I wasn't familiar with before we started speaking I didn't know that you were so gungho about the PC ecosystem and especially the laptop ecosystem how do you see that evolving in India like an Indian saying you know I'm going to use this for x or y like what do you think the use cases are when they actually come to you guys you know there's multiple ways to look at it first I think U we all know that uh a market like India the first thing even today with not just India but even outside the first feedback you get from everybody is I want long battery life right so first use case is it meets exactly what uh every user will ask for is I don't want to be able to charge this thing uh at least once a day if not couple days second I think a lot of AI use cases we talked about obviously very specific to India and this is where developers are going to start to build different apps different models all for local consumers and stuff so um I I'll give you an example we uh talked about uh at launch we talked about D Vinci resolve and so since you use a lot of these applications for editing and stuff uh Adobe has talked about their applications are native on Snapdragon and so you can actually start to use these models low Al and apps locally things like D's magic mask right where you're able to cut the person out of the background yeah any of or yes or any of the photo editing applications and stuff um we've talked about linard Neo and other applications exactly like that right and you can see the benefit it we're talking significant leaps over relative to what you can do today with other architectures and so the benefit is that it's going to get customized I think a lot of we've uh you know we have more than uh 50 retailers that are going to that have launched devic with us globally and so India is obviously one of them as well um I wish I could share a little bit more there's uh I'm going to tease it a little bit there's uh some more exciting stuff just in the next uh few weeks that we'll talk about but it's pretty exciting we we'll be we'll have a very focused approach towards India as well you also told me something very

### Gaming and Qualcomm's role in the gaming industry [20:46]

interesting in I mean your job title also says gaming right so I've been a gamer all my life and I'm pretty excited to know what you have planned in store for gaming and you see that evolved right like Jensen I think from Nvidia says this very interesting thing where he says you know pixels will be um generated not rendered right and if you've seen some of the new models right the cling if you've seen uh um Sora it looks like we can generate videos on the fly but it turns out you might have this situation where when you press the forward button it's generating the video on the Fly Right we've seen some of this with I mean something like this has happened with you know cloud gaming staria if you remember now you know it's been retired but right uh you know just being able to generate things on the Fly and play games like that I think is phenomenal but you probably have a much deeper view of gaming you know the numbers I would love for the audience to know as well what are your insights from gaming how do people actually game on their phones and their computers and where do you see that changing with AI yeah I think overall um gaming obviously one of the fastest growing Market several billion dollars of uh Revenue every year uh just from games in store in uh game purchases just uh pretty incredible and crazy uh Market on how it's grown um I think what has more taken off in uh mobile gaming obviously uh Snapdragon has uh a lot of gaming called the Snapdragon X Elite uh Elite Gaming not X Elite sorry Snapdragon Elite uh gaming and uh with we'll have something very similar with Snapdragon uh X Elite in PCS as well uh with AI I think we should just expect you highlighted a bunch of stuff what I would have said anyways which is uh taking a lot of uh models working with thirdparty developers and optimizing them today we're more focused from when it comes to PCS uh we're more focused on casual gaming obviously the were're not focused on high-end creators markets or were AAA games and stuff while we are working on it it's not something that I would say that consumer should focus on with PCS today with X Elite but obviously casual games and stuff will run uh really well um outside of PCS and phones we also have dedicated platforms that are specific towards handheld gaming as an example so Sony has launched one of their uh handheld gaming devices with a qualcom platform uh where you can play with the PlayStation and so overall I think we see the market mov and the quest as well right the quest of course with XR obviously we have Quest is uh has the Snapdragon platforms and so were able to better render with uh the handle gaming platforms and obviously again it's a handle device so you get the benefits of battery life and stuff so overall were pretty bullish on how the gaming Market is uh going to move

### Qualcomm's consumer-facing strategy [23:40]

forward and why does a company like and this is something that's always confused me right like why I understand how the OEM work all the oems work right I understand how the Vivo and the oppos of the world work uh why are you building a consumer story for Qualcomm as well like this is a business question right like I as a business if you're a B I assume Qualcomm India is a B2B business right why the play on consumer no when you think about it you it's U every consumer is extremely aware today right they're doing the research consumer knows what they want uh even when you think about a consumer that is or an employee that is walking into an Enterprise knows exactly what laptop they want we want the consumer to be aware of what Snapdragon is right uh there are many markets where the consumer in phones totally understand where Snapdragon is and we want them to be aware of X Elite as well because the benefits that it brings are very natural to how they see phones right when they think of phones they think of uh Qualcomm as a premium tier platform I get the best experience possible I we want them to have the exact same feeling when they start thinking about this in PCS and you know PC is very different Market uh notebooks get sold through uh almost close to 50% of the market gets sold through big companies Enterprises in other words uh the other 50% gets sold through consumers and even within that consumers either buy online now or walk into stores like in India through uh retail outlets whether it's chroma or flip cart or any of the stores so you actually the consumer is aware of what they want so we want the consumer to understand the benefits cuz we're you know we're very focused on consumer needs versus specs and feeds we always will focus on making sure we have the best experience possible H and one

### Future of mobile phones and personalization [25:28]

question here on the mobile phones right I think you probably as a company also have insights onto what consumers really want I know that 5 years ago they really wanted like a bigger screen right I then know it shifted to cameras with the chipsets what is it that they really want I think the underlying technology is what we support in the chipset right even when you think of uh I talked about Boke or background blur and stuff consumers didn't even don't even understand where that is running we've always had some of the things run on uh like a hexagon processor which is think of it as a older version of uh npu or a neural processor or more AI in simple terms and so the way we think about all of this stuff is even the phone is going to get a lot more personal now just as the PC with AI we it's going to have more contextual aware uh it's going to understand uh awareness it's going to be more aware it's going to predict things for you in a manner that you don't even know it's going to better understand the user so tell you the next word you're going to type exactly or that's definitely where we are today but I think it's going to get a lot more intelligent in terms of you know what you're trying to use managing your schedules managing your personal uh calendar an agent on the phone right so I think it's just going to start getting more personal with the user and especially as we talk about Ai and npu and stuff that's just going to see more and more advantages of running locally so I think to summarize you're looking at this future the next 3 4 years to be the era of personalization you think that personalization is going to happen somewhat on the cloud but mostly on consumer devices laptops phones PCS uh EVS whatever it is you think it's going to happen on the device and you think running these models up to a 13 13B are going to be possible on the device and you feel over time bigger models are going to be sandwiched down I'm summarizing the entire thing right bigger models are going to be sandwiched down and therefore on your phone you're just going to be able to T make three apps and then get the answers you want which gives you Godlike intelligence at your fingertips and it's such a beautiful world to be in right so I'm super bullish on kind of the future of where I think technology is going and I'm also like this is actually my first interaction with somebody from Qualcomm right like I'm talking about in the sense we are here for the first time sort of listening to How Qualcomm thinks about this customers it's always been a behind the scenes company in right and I'm glad you're coming to the Forefront and saying this is important and we sort of sitting behind the scenes powering this and I think consumers today make informed choices so you're right that you know just like when they go when I go to a doctor I would have done my research and then go to the doctor right uh same with buying anything today I think there's a lot of comparisons research that people do and then eventually you know come out and win so we've summarized this but

### Privacy considerations with on-device AI [28:23]

I have one question with the summary let's say everything is running locally on your device you've heard a lot of leaks right somebody stores photos on their phone it eventually appears on the internet privacy seems to be something really hard now I know cloud has you know there's an illusion of privacy everywhere right anything that goes on the cloud there's like a x% chance that also could get into trouble or that also could appear on the internet but how do you think privacy will involve with personalization I'll tell you why sometimes when I chat with Claude on my phone Gemini or Claude or whoever my phone it always eventually ends up with me asking it a question which I don't want other people to see it could be a personal question what do you think of death or whatever it is right different people have different questions and some of that I don't want appearing on the internet right or maybe not me but most people and I assume now if it's happening on the phone it's safer because it's not going to a server somewhere but how do you think privacy is going to evolve in the era of personal AI yeah it's a very good question I think one of the big uh benefits waron of running stuff on device we talk about the word on device is the fact that uh when you take the 45 tops and when you take all of the AI stuff you talked about 13 billion parameters but the core of that is three things one is immediacy you get instant results uh second is privacy is you're able to get stuff that is uh private it doesn't go to the cloud exactly to your point and uh third is just personalization is how it is able to better understand so the fact that you've searched for a few things it is going to start understanding the user a lot better so it's going to know exactly what you're thinking U simple things in terms of toneal like how do you write emails how do you like to send messages what kind of tone do you like to use you like more aggression do you like more passive uh way of sending you know so all of these things are going to play a very important role and more so obviously with when we talk about privacy and security running stuff on device it's always going to stay on device it's never going to go to the cloud and that's the benefit of having an npu that is so powerful that can run stuff locally on the device H so you're saying it's actually like an air gap and the air gap I didn't think of it like that I think the that's actually that in my opinion that'll actually be the key selling point for most mobile chipsets or whatever right like or any personal device chipsets which is it's on your device it's not going to the cloud we have a gap right and you can text your AI whatever you want and it stays between you and your phone and if you lose your phone you have a pass key so you're at least protected there so I don't think of it like that that's enlightening or your PCS no um one last question I want to ask

### Consumer feedback on Qualcomm products [31:15]

you here is what is the consumer feedback for your exites or the phones chipsets what what's the consumer feedback been like so far I think overall everybody thinks of quom Snapdragon equals premium experiences right so when you walk into a store and you say I want a Snapdragon you know you're going to get the best experience possible um we want them to think very similar when they think of PCS right we've announced two platforms the LX Elite as well as the X+ and you should expect both of these will have very similar experiences and so one of the things we've done by the way the just to highlight uh between the X Elite and the plus we've kept the same amount of AI performance which is the 45 tops it just tells you the kind of bet we're making in terms of the future right so you can see other areas where we've tried to uh bring the cost can you breing down tops for people listening it's a trillion operations per second it's just how fast you're able to run a particular AI workload on device very simplistic way to look at it yeah I

### Closing thoughts on the future of technology [32:20]

think I'm so excited for the future and honestly you know I've had a long relationship with Qualcomm even though you know we haven't done anything bought Qualcomm stuff right so I think uh is just exciting to be in a world where going back to that original question right of us sitting with the floppy and the old PC and the modem nobody could have predicted this is the world we're going to be in where we the thing on your phone is just trumping you know something that used to be best in class back then and all that happening at your fingertips it's a great world to be in people become so much more productive everything becomes personalized uh we're going to have ai friends and agents doing everything for us and uh to see you guys silently power some of this is phenomenal and hopefully you know we keep in touch over the long run so every time there's something new please let us know I would love to use some of your stuff and definitely you know vice versa if there's something we can help you with uh happy to do it it's great you guys are doing some incredible stuff I mean I've followed a lot of what you do just you do some amazing stuff so we'd love to partner with you and uh doing a lot of these fun things thank you K uh thank you for being on the show bye