# Working Your Way Up As An Artist | With Roy Nachum

## Метаданные

- **Канал:** Gary Vaynerchuk
- **YouTube:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnEQ9HArhfM
- **Дата:** 01.04.2022
- **Длительность:** 39:02
- **Просмотры:** 18,104
- **Источник:** https://ekstraktznaniy.ru/video/17419

## Описание

Today's episode is a great conversation I had with the artist Roy Nachum. Roy talks about his early career and experiences as a painter, his vision of NFTs as a movement and a supportive community, and how he ended up working for Rihanna and Jay-Z. Finally, we discuss his NFT and Metaverse Project, as well as its positive impact.

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Twitter: @themegamoon_

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### Segment 1 (00:00 - 05:00) []

i'm actually happy i got that no oh i'm roy i mean i still am looking for news exactly i prefer no to yes i agree i really do i'm incredibly motivated um by both which is why i'm motivated the garyvee audio experience vaynernation good morning good evening good afternoon happy travels hope the dog walking is going well the treadmill whatever you're doing as you're listening to this very exciting episode for me i had a very substantial hypothesis when the nft space kind of kicked off in my brain a little over a year maybe even a year half ago one of the things that stood out to me is the real world and the digital world i have a big belief that a lot of our collectibles will be sent to warehouses and we'll be trading nfts and then one of the biggest bets i made in kind of my big investing era of last summer was into tom sacks rockets because tom was a very successful artist danny cole was an emerging artist in real life that i fell in love with and that's why i went heavy on creatures and many of the people that i supported um do physical art and then put out projects but me as many of you know that have followed me i've talked a lot about this me as a non-physical art collector or enthusiast or aficionado has you know ironically been sucked into caring a little bit more about real art which has been fun um but along my journeys over the last 15 years there was you know kind of one artist that i was aware of that i kind of watched from the sidelines grow his you know uh demand his reputation watched him move we shared a very very close friend to both of us named eitan sugarman who owns hunt and fish club and white horse tavern and you know people that listen to this podcast may know the boy from new york uh in my social content things of that nature and his content and so i had a i would call it a second row seat to watching roy build his career over the last decade and um when he hit me up a couple months ago and said hey i'm entering this space with his friend mike and i was like this is just so exciting for me it allows me to really kind of you know support him to be frank because i've always wanted to but i tend to be pretty authentic i buy the things i like nfts i like and so what i really want to focus on in this podcast with roy is for all the artists out there that are in the physical realm who continue to hesitate or are in the process of strategizing uh getting into this space and i hope it's also an inspiration for others uh who may not have even gotten commercial success in their physical art world but are not realizing that maybe nft land is an opportunity for them to expand their fan base and more importantly and i want to get into this with you roy um uh their creativity so without further ado that's the setup of why i'm personally so excited for this roy why don't you tell everybody who you are uh and what you do and then we'll get into it well thank you gary um yeah i mean i'm an artist i've been doing it since some little kid uh grew up in israel in jerusalem pretty much the way i got to new york is through a student exchange program i study in cooper union and then i stayed here in new york i was focusing uh building my career here i thought new york is one of the greatest city uh to really and give a stage to artists and the sky's the limit over here and that's why i'm here um i try to make you know to make my art in different places around the world but i feel like new york is the best spot uh to create it so i you know i've been painting all my life so what is your earliest memory of painting earliest memory of my painting is actually seeing my father when i was probably four years old five years old see my father starting a painting from a white canvas completely and then bringing life to the canvas and painting i remember painting like clowns and i was like really impressed about that i can and that was fascinating to me so my father stopped painting when i was uh around that age he stopped painting because you know living is living in israel it was difficult back then to be to you know to make a living yeah and when he had me and my brothers and we have four brothers

### Segment 2 (05:00 - 10:00) [5:00]

brothers he had to find like um a real child exactly yeah so but that's so it's kind of like it's seeing that it was always fascinating to me by the way real quick i'm sorry one of the biggest things that i'm excited about when i wrote crush in 2008 i was excited that people that had hobbies they liked star wars they liked honey they liked sneakers or rock climbing that they were going to be able to become an influencer on youtube and make a living for me no question one of the biggest things about the nft space is your father didn't get to live out probably his true calling right you know i think about your father i think about what this set of t space means you know it too many people focus on wild commercial success millions i think about thousands meaning if nfts existed at this time when your father was at that age maybe five years before then he might have been able to build a little bit of a following and he might have been able to be a gentleman who made a couple hundred thousand dollars a year selling nfts and that would have provided for his family and he could have lived his dream instead of getting a real job which i'm sure when you're an artist when you're a painter no and that's in your heart there's no job you're gonna get that's gonna fulfill your soul the same way no matter how much you even stumble on something else you like i agree 100 and i think you know it's it takes me also to another if you look at movements in art because i see that this nft what's going on right now i see it as a movement a new movement in art it wasn't any movement for a while and the reason i'm saying it is you know a lot of artists was leaning on conceptual art pop art different kind of movements but in our generation like it wasn't a major movement in that and the reason i'm saying movement is because was the last big movement like graffiti i would say yeah street art was like the thing but if you think about it basquiat was doing it back then what happened is i think uh people right needs to artists needs to speak to their own you know agenda and create whatever to create because once you have like that big movement and you know the top artists in the game uh leading that that's kind of like an issue because uh you pretty much you don't have a piece of the cake you're just enjoying the crumbs so but what i see right now with what's going on with technology right now if you compare it to movement back then uh back then you had like 10 maybe 20 artists sitting together thinking about an idea and a concept behind their movement they're all working on the same kind of work and then now you can have because of technology the outreach is huge you can have tens and tens of thousands of people creating that movement they all inspired one each other and i think it's incredible because the opportunity is huge the movement is huge the community is huge and that's where i'm coming right now from i want to create when i'm doing those this nft project right now i want my community i want to be there for you know answer questions i want to you know uh have like a nice boxing uh with somebody just to understand and you mean verbally when you say boxing you mean you know bouncing ideas off each other challenging each other yes i understand that right i want to go back further i want to really make this for the artist today more than maybe the nft enthusiast which has gotten plenty from me um so your father and you remember very early your father so then you by 6 7 8 are you just painting yes i've been painting and do people say to you within your family and outside your family hey you're good does it like happen right away for you at a young age so i'm coming from i'm not coming for money yeah for me uh a compliment was everything if somebody tells your father my parents actually support me this my entire career symbol since i'm a little kid that was my fuel that was my you know gas to continue and continue creating but i remember you know back then in tel aviv you know jerusalem i i've been painting all my life right since i'm a kid but by the age of 16 to 18 i created my own style of work after i took inspiration from a lot of artists and work with my technique and tried to really paint like any already artists out there and then i started creating my own stuff i remember going to galleries and you know one of the galleries that went in tel aviv i showed the guy the portfolio handed it in his hand i said check you know check out my work what do you think the guy flipped two pages closed the page and sent it to send back give back to me and said it's not for me

### Segment 3 (10:00 - 15:00) [10:00]

so that was for me uh pretty much um every time i got the negative response it actually made me even work harder and push myself harder and continue because i know i do i didn't took no as in as an answer like and trust me i got a lot of no's in my career to get to wherever do you remember your first snow or was that one that you just told the story the most maybe it wasn't the first one but it was such a aggressive no that it just sticks with you exactly that was one of them like you know you think you know you're putting time into something and then you get that no answer and that's really it's like a slap in the face but but i built so much uh from that you know i'm actually happy i got that no oh i'm roy i mean i still am looking for news exactly i prefer no to yes i agree i really do i'm incredibly motivated um by both which is why i'm motivated but i definitely i enjoy a good no i mean there's a lot of people listening right now that think nfts are stupid and are a scam and or a fad and i'm incredibly motivated by knowing that right now the nft landscape is very focused on the collectible with a little bit of utility i know long term the technology is more about the utility with a little bit of collectibility but i know it's going to be here forever just like i knew the internet and social media would be okay so 1618 you're starting you've kind of found your style you're going around galleries you're getting some no's guts now tell us the first kind of commercially successful moment what was the first moment so i think where it wasn't just your mom and dad saying you're good yeah yeah so i went to the army for three years in israel and i remember the first day that i got released from the army i looked in the newspaper i just saw a flight to it i said i'm going to the first flight whatever it is i saw a flight to france uh and i went there i went with my portfolio i remember seeing like walking and seeing a very cool gallery and went inside the gallery it was uh a show of mirror and i started handing you know showing people my work trying to hustle my moments see what people really think about my work and all of a sudden i met the owner of the gallery and he got very excited and it's like and i was like it's the first time that somebody really recognized my work and really loving it and said immediately he said with the you know and i didn't spoke any english back then and or french and we kind of communicate with our hands and face yes and the guy told me let's do a show together and then i did a few shows back then i was painting in france and then i had to go back so that was like a big deal for me how long were you in france i was probably a year and a half or so creating a few uh uh very uh cool exhibitions it was very you know i felt like i'm on top of the game then and then i got back to israel and i studied in israel for or you know solely art academy and from that point i went to new york for a student exchange i knew i wanted to go to new york and study here so i study in cooper union and and i invest everything i have in my art like i go all in i'm trying to do the best art that i can every time i'm doing anything so very quickly new york uh suck all my money and i got to a point that i had 500 in my bank account and i was like okay what do i do and i met a guy over here in new york and he said listen you know in soho you can put over the weekend you can have hang your work uh on just on the street and see what people think and you can sell it it's actually legal to do that back then so i took two of my paintings i hang them on i remember spring on broadway back then was casey barry now it's nike town and i s a bunch of people walk and really admire the work yeah and then a guy came and reached over and said listen i'm building this uh restaurant in vegas tau in vegas back then it was jason strauss and then he tells me would you like to do my art the art pretty much for the restaurant and then i said yeah i mean i don't know anything about tao of it i mean no vegas but then i started you know understanding more what what's what it's all about and i did those art pieces so wait a minute i don't know this story so you're telling me you're on the corner of a street because somebody tells you can put up two paint art yeah you're hanging out you're getting some good feedback for a couple hours and then some guy comes along looks at it and just looks you in the face and says do you want to do the art for me in my vegas restaurant exactly like that wow

### Segment 4 (15:00 - 20:00) [15:00]

wow i know jason and so you're telling me that moment really was a game changer yes it was that was the big break that was the way for anybody listening this is why new york is new york yeah because the people that are walking by the street are people that are building like you know restaurant empires exactly so jason says that jesus did you sell that did you sell those two paintings that day i did i did or how much do you remember it was probably like uh 500 bucks a piece and you were pumped yeah i was like walking like a peacock pretty much feeling i want the water then yeah tripled your and the most important it gave me a few more months to live in new york continue my dream so i was like i was i was always what year was this 2005 i would say 2000. and how old was 25 i was 24 5 24 5 something like that and you know putting the work in vegas all of a sudden you know i didn't like i'm getting like by mail i got to remember like a magazine and i see on the cover pharrell took a photo with in the background is my painting in vegas so that was like a big deal you know i'm like you know so that's the beauty of new york like you said new york you start your day you never know how it ends yeah you know so that was like how many paintings did they buy for town they bought like two or three paintings overall do you remember what you charged them uh i told them whatever you want to give me i don't mind i think it was like overall nothing it was like a few thousands but for me it's huge like for me i don't care about the money when i work i don't think about it i just want to i want a stage and my recommendation for artists no matter if you get a no in a gallery or in school they're trying to put you in a box and all that moment don't let it kill you like show your work it can be on the street it can be in restaurants it can be anywhere and now it's actually a little even easier in a way not easier but more no easier i know where you're about to go of course because you should you could dm 600 influencers who have 4 million followers i like what you do i'm an artist do you want this painting if you do i'd like you to take a picture with me in your instagram main feed and don't delete it in 24 hours you can absolutely send that dm by the way people sometimes say gary i need more practical advice there you go dm if you're an artist physical you know even nft don't do what a lot of spam people do which is airdrop into peop influencers wallets and then claim that they're supporting it that happens to me it happens to others it's a terrible tactic it's cheap but if you dm somebody physical art or nft and say hey i'm a fan of your comedy modeling i'm a fan of your athletic ability i'm a fan of your business advice i'm an artist if i'd love to give this to you but in return i'd like you to post it in your main feed or in your story or in your make a tick tock with it you know one person's piece of content can start the process no different than jason strauss but you know giving you a chance to hang some art in town exactly exactly and then from that point by the way after jason we spoke about date eighth and sugarman then i met ayton through a denier and i remember ayton was opening this restaurant with justin timberlake and then he saw that i'm a painter in the whole nathan eva you know gives a lot of love to art because of his grandma was a big in art and yes it's is so you know aitan is my my best friend uh for so many years and i started working and doing you know some restaurant like i started to design restaurant all of the sunsets and clubs and things like that and the reason i did it i wasn't a designer i'm an artist but the reason i did it is because i can expose it first exactly a stage to show my work to put my painting as a focal point in the space and that was my kind of like way to get in i actually think when i look at your career from afar again because i would hear things from italian things that it should like you know you were putting paintings and designing in restaurants that also had a lot of a-listers and influencers running through the place i assume some of the other crazy things that happened in your career happened because those individuals first got a glimpse of your stuff in those locations yeah definitely i mean i made jay-z and ayton's restaurant we did like it was a cool night i remember we had like a party i think you were there too by the way back then but we uh oh southern hospital yes kimberlyn's birthday exactly yes and then i saw um i saw jay and he asked you know what's up and stuff and so i started showing him a few pieces and then

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then he fall in love with two pieces send it to me immediately tomorrow to my office that was like another moment and then i met and then you know basically that's how i got uh to work with rihanna because jay-z was collecting my uh two of my paintings that i sent to his office was in his office and rihanna member saw those works after she recorded the uh auntie uh album and she went to this to this to the office and so one of my paintings was the kid with a crown and the braille um on top of that so she saw that she didn't ask jay about it she called sierra our uh creative director and they were looking to find the rs to find me through a gallery that i was showing in berlin and then she you know she reached over and the guys you know call me guy for rihanna is looking for you and can we give her your number so i was like yeah of course and then we i remember recalling and then we met and and then that's how pretty much i did the art for rihanna's album cover uh she believed in my concept and you know my concepts it's all about you know stands for human equality the crown over the eyes symbolizing that everybody's equal everybody's the same no matter where you're coming from you know you deserve a big chance in your life everybody have a dream follow your dream continue with your dream don't let people you know down you or doubt you and things like that just go with your dream you deserve it so everybody for me is equal and that's my message through art um saying that and give people a chance to be you know a part of the work for example in cooper union i remember when i came to new york i was uh overstimulated you know so many people in new york coming from a small town in jerusalem smaller neighborhood so i came and i was like okay i need to forget what i saw till now so i pretty much blindfolded myself uh blindfold my eyes for a whole week um and i wanted to reborn pretty much reborn to light reborn in in the way i think reborn saw things before so um i started working and the first uh things that came to my mind if i want to start seriously creating art with giving people who cannot see visual art an opportunity to to enjoy art so i started uh um creating those uh i wrote poetry and i translated into braille and i sculpturing you know the braille on top of the canvas and i let people who are blind people that lost the visual people in visually impaired to touch the work and experience uh a painting you know and and that for me was uh was everything because all of a sudden nobody was left out nobody left out exactly that's it i understand and and you know it's funny again we've never really gotten a lot of time together so even the jason strauss story i didn't know i was aware that you worked with rihanna but i didn't know how it all went down i'm now pumped because i was at that party where you saw that now i have a feeling i have a connection to it i don't think i really understood the level of gravity behind where i think you're going with your project i knew you know i knew that when you told me you were going to do an nft project my brain went to the tom sachs place stephen ray who you know who's uh got brain vomit sarah bauman who does women of weapons mumbot i love her work all these physicals who went into nft land that has been a big thesis of mine you know i still believe you know vito schnabel who i know we did some stuff with artificial i still believe that um the artists that are winning emerging and are winning in the real world have the biggest canvas pun intended to be successful in nft land you besides tom sacks you're further along in your physical art career than the other people i mentioned you know i i just have watched you grind from afar through mainly through eitan's stories so i had a lot of confidence when you reached out and said hey i'm gonna do this what do you think i have even more confidence now 25 minutes in because i don't think i have a little bit of a sense of where you're going creatively with your project actually where are you i actually don't know this where are you with the project how far away are we and more importantly can you build on what

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you just said because i know you're going a little bit with this crown braille thing explain it for me please yeah so uh i guess six years ago right i i've been working on technology and one thing about technology that i want people to know is don't like i remember when people built uh you know you start photoshop came out like way back and people using those uh effects and and filters uh i was facing fascinating to create my own filters my own uh filters to photoshop now you're creating something completely new and different uh by doing that so yes so i taught myself to program and to communicate with those uh program and i taught myself any program out there so six seven years ago i started to working on an idea i spent a lot of time in japan back and forth and i you know i knew that uh that you know technology in art is is a big and it's going to get very big very soon so i had this idea to open a museum institute over here in new york and it's pretty much digital museum that i pretty much create my own art over there and wanted to do something very big then covet hits and then when colvin hates after three work three years of work on this specific museum here in new york i said you know what do i do now so i had this vr set that i bought this oculus set play with that a little bit was born you know during beginning of covet then i said i want to build everything that they did for the physical museum and build it in virtual yeah so now it calls metaverse back then it was just to create like a virtual virtually exactly for people to enjoy art and really walk in and see my uh installations so that become metaverse right now and then i remember uh ethan calls me a a year and a half ago or something and it tells me you know do you know anything about the nfts i said no idea what's nft is say you know you should google and look into it so it was maybe two three articles out there um it was and i think while i'm reading about it i'm understanding that this is what i do right now i'm actually working creating a digital art creating a metaverse and the access to the multiverse is to do the avatars and those are my ten thousand nfts are building a mu a community that can come and enter to the metaverse to the mega moon the name of the metaphor is mega moon uh and the kids are the crown kids uh the ten thousand and the idea is to to these crown kids are back to the crown with the braille on it that rihanna saw like that that's been in you for a while yes yes and they did i want to continue with that that's my goal i mean again it's stencil you feel like that is the thing right so for everybody if you don't see it it's actually over his shoulder if you're watching i don't know if we're gonna clip this or this is gonna be all audio but it's this golden crown with braille on it that's actually covering the eyes of the character which i think is kind of interesting right crowns normally sit on top of the head you've got these crowns covering eyes yeah because i believe that everybody is a queen everybody is a king everybody deserves a chance in art in life you know working on their dream and continuing what's the are the is the braille going to spell out different things on the crown or is it still spell out the same thing for every of the ten thousand characters for this specific one it's it's yeah it's all it just says all human beings are born equal in dignity and rights that we are all the same uh um and that's what it says on the crown so because people you gotta understand there's no back then yeah maybe it was a king but the king was never satisfied what they have they always wanted more and more so that's why that's not back then my friend yes the p unfortunately one of the greatest vulnerabilities in society leading to many of the difficulties that we have around the world not just what's going on in ukraine but many other parts of the world there's an incredibly challenging game that insecure human beings can never be content or grateful for what they have they need more at the expense of others exactly it's unfortunate and honestly i actually have compassion and empathy for some of the biggest villains in our world even though they've created incredible carnage and when i see villains of course everyone's gonna think you know point to putin and things of that nature i'm actually going day to day i'm actually i take it day to day

### Segment 7 (30:00 - 35:00) [30:00]

somebody's right now listening to this podcast they're gonna stop right now because they have to go into the office it's nine o'clock they're gonna stop it right now they just turned us off they're gonna walk in and at 10 16 this morning their boss is gonna yell at them for dumb that doesn't mean anything and the only reason that's actually happening is not because they made a mistake on a task but it's because the person yelling this manager at 10 16 am is deeply unhappy at home and by the way not because they're an atrocious person maybe they're unhappy because their mother has just been diagnosed or put into hospice so they're hurt so they're taking it out on someone else there's you know there's challenges we lack empathy and compassion to why someone got to a state like that we don't think about that i tell a lot of my friends if you struggle with your parents instead of being fully mad at them take a step back and think about what their parents your grandparents did to them right you know like we've got to be more thoughtful about this i love the message of the crowns brother thank you and this is i mean real quick because i got a little bit i was very quiet in the middle i'm sure everyone was laughing because i tend to talk more often but you captivated me a little bit on your vision yeah let's go back because i really want to bring value because i know my audience do you i want to go business even though i truly think you're an artist but i do think i have a very big business crowd i think this is important to me yeah and i think you have 10 15 business and you to go along with your art which is why you've been successful otherwise you can't so let me ask you this question yeah do you believe if you do what's the name of your do you have an actual phys do you have a name when is your project coming out it's coming out in uh i mean obviously yeah i know like for example be friends is in april i don't fully know when do you think so the drop probably made mid-may something like that okay so we'll just say do you have official name for it or not yet yeah on twitter we call the mega moon underscore but it's the name of the project under the mega moon because the mega moon is the metaverse and the nft is living in the metaverse those avatar lives in the metaverse it's going to be in the name of king you know uh crown kids uh crown kids so yeah so so talking business a little bit do you believe that a successful crown kids launch in nfp land will impact your urn ability in the in the physical world do you think you're do you as a businessman which you know an artist needs to be a businessman or woman a little bit hey dad thank you uh um yeah do you think that it will compound your physical like a very successful nft project allows you to charge more for your art will go up in price yeah i think you know for me like i said it's not about the money but i assume if the project is successful yes it can make it can it can help the the physical as well do you love the crown kids so much because you obviously do other art that doesn't have them in there is there a part of you that hopes it's so successful that you can do more crown kids art physical like that there'll be so much demand that will become more of what you make because you're so attached to the message or are you concerned that it's so commercially successful that people only want crown kids from you in a world where you're an artist and you want to do other uh um i mean it's it's a it's interesting question because i always try to do the best right i was trying to to do to do something in art i'm trying to make art that is relevant and do make a change in art in in pretty much an art history so you guys are doing a physical museum nft museum in downtown new york yeah and the crown kids nfts are going to give access to that yeah it's going to be accessible for early drops for events for talks uh for launch like we're building a crypto lounge that you know people can come in and be a part of this uh community that will open a year from today roughly yes yeah and in the metaverse the veteran is pretty much ready we're gonna release it on uh on a 2d like a pc game it's going to be on an app vr and but there i created like studios so artists that you know could come and create their own art in the metaverse what i like about what you're doing and i think this has been a huge thing that i'm struggling with so many people see the gold rush of nfts they're just making something up today yeah and

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launching in 60 days and then they're surprised why it's not doing well yeah you know when was the first time you made a crown kit or a version of it how many years ago oh like i would say seven eight years ago it was the first but the first crown is a painting was 20 years ago right so to me that right and i think you know as we wrap up here for everybody who's an artist or an entrepreneur and wants to get into putting out projects into the world i believe the reason befriends is going to win is this has been on my mind actually forever when i didn't have a canvas pun intended to talk about patience and kindness and tenacity and ambition and all these things that i have i just used me garyvee i used me the human which was not really in my mind i never thought of myself as a public figure i businessman but i got to a point in my mid-30s where i was so pent up to talk about these things i used myself as the vehicle now i have a universe for that vehicle it was authentic it's why it's going to work i believe the reason your project's going to work is because you're a real commercially successful actual contemporary artist but more importantly for me personally it's the fact that the project is something that's been deep in you and has meaning and i think for everybody who's listening if you're gonna take your first attempt don't just hire a graphic artist to make you some pfps take a step back and think about if your grandma meant something to you or when you played hockey it a hero vision or a passage out of the bible or the torah or the quran or anything just doesn't mean something to you it will always do better when it means something to you because you will fight for it more if it doesn't mean anything to you won't fight for it because you may for example roy v friends didn't sell out for the first three weeks did not sell out everybody now wants their thing to sell out in three minutes let alone three hours let alone three days v friends didn't sell out for three weeks yeah but i fought for it because i knew i was building it forever it didn't matter and look what happened now and what i believe also when you create an image that image needs to stays in your mind so if you close the computer you close your screen and that image stays in your mind right it means that you did something and i feel like what you did with the sketches that you made i see the black cat i see all the figures that you made stuck in my mind because you have it in you came and you did it naturally yourself spending time doing it everybody a lot of people made fun of me because the art isn't great and for me i was laughing because the art is so provenance to me it is me i took the we you know i took a long time thinking about it and i took the week to create it yeah and it was important to me that the first version was me from my heart my soul my fingers yes and i think authenticity and prominence matters so much and i think so much many entrepreneurs like me will rather hire a graphic artist and call it a day which is fine you can do it there's no it needs to be you and the extensions of you don't need to paint like uh because i'm not you it doesn't that's not my art correct correct my friend thank you for being on the show thank you so much i can't wait to see the project i haven't really minted a lot of projects lately i've been so busy but i'm really looking forward to yours and i'm really happy you're on the show and i hope we've motivated some entrepreneurs and artists to think about things from a different way thank you so much gary i love you ciao you