# Star Trek Science

## Метаданные

- **Канал:** Astronomy Cast
- **YouTube:** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MqoQOXdQis
- **Дата:** 05.05.2026
- **Длительность:** 59:55
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## Описание

Let's look at the science of our galaxy, some day far in the future. 

EPISODE INFO
Title: Star Trek Science
Recorded: 4 May 2026, Episode 793 (Season 19)
Hosted by: Fraser Cain (@frasercain ) and Dr. Pamela L. Gay (@CosmoQuest )

SHOW NOTES
Warp drives, antimatter, and dilithium crystals
Warp vs impulse engines
Tractor beams and phaser physics
Photon torpedoes and beam weapon challenges
Transporters, quantum teleportation, and Heisenberg Compensators
Faster-than-light communication and quantum entanglement
Shield technology discussion
Privacy concerns from always-listening devices
Star Trek predicting tablets, flip phones, and video calls
Tricorder-inspired medical technology
Hubble Space Telescope imagery influencing Star Trek visuals
Star Trek’s impact on science, technology, and diversity
Nichelle Nichols as a groundbreaking role model

This show is supported through people like you on Patreon.com/AstronomyCast 

In this episode, we'd like to thank: Andrew Poelstra, Burry Gowen, David, David Rossetter, Ed, Eric Lee, Gerhard Schwarzer, Jason Kwong, Jeanette Wink, Joe McTee, Michael Purcell, Sergey Manouilov, Siggi Kemmler

## Содержание

### [0:00](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MqoQOXdQis) Segment 1 (00:00 - 05:00)

I have put us live. Mhm. It is true. So, uh because uh Twitch and YouTube don't filter out audio the way Zoom does, those of you watching live uh or watching the live recording late, you cannot hear Fraser. Why can't you hear Fraser? I can fix that. uh are going to be able to hear uh thunder and potentially hail in my background. Uh they can't hear you yet. Why is it showing no Zoom audio as an option? One moment. Finding Zoom. Finding loop back. It says Zoom audio is turned on. There it is. Okay. I just had to threaten it. Can you say something? — Can you hear me now? — Yes. And they will not be able to hear the Berto in your background because — Right. because it's washed through your — because it's going Zoom. — Yeah. — So, so Zoom does that. Um Oh, no. My uh video is not meant to be mirrored. Let me fix that as well. It's apparently a day of fixing all the things. Um and having a phone decide to ring. Um is that the correct one? Yes. So, it is clear that my video is mirrored today because I am wearing a shirt that my staff got me a number of years ago. — That says, "Damn it, Jim. I'm a scientist, not a fundraiser. " — Yeah. Um, Paul Cochril asks a question for Fraser, although I think this is a question for Pamela, too. Can the Dragon spacecraft use its Raptor engines to slow down its landing should the parachutes fail? So, uh, quick qualification, Dragon doesn't have Raptors. It has an engine called a Super Draco. — Yeah. — Has eight of them. — Yeah. And originally, Dragon was intended that it would do a powered landing with those Super Dracos — and they use them as the abort system. So, you know, it's on top of the rocket. they if there's some problem with the rocket, they can fire those super draos and pull the Dragon away from the top of the rocket. [snorts] So, originally the plan was that they would use these engines to do their landing and I guess that was considered to be a little too risky cuz what if one of the Super Draco fails? And so, they switched to parachutes and it has four parachutes that it deploys, but it can get by with just three.

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And theoretically, and this is something that um SpaceX announced a couple of years ago, and I don't I didn't even follow the story. I don't know, Pamela, maybe you can jump in, but they didn't they were considering re-examining whether they could use the Super Draco as a propulsive landing or as part to soften the landing as part of the landing system. And I don't think they ever sort of got to a place where NASA was happy with the direction that was going to go. So, so theoretically I can imagine some, you know, movie where they, you know, the parachutes fail and they go, "Can we use the Super Draco? " — So, so the thing with that is you need a whole lot more fuel to slow it down. — Yeah. — Uh compared to what they need to zip away. Um, so it it's do you want to carry all that fuel or be able to carry more stuff into space? Now, one thing that came out over the weekend is we're looking at a no earlier than uh I believe it was either May 12 or May 15. I think it's May 12. Uh Starlininer, not Starlininer, Starship, — uh with the V3 engines, — um potential launch. They did have at one of their sites a a moment that caused me to do the dog head tilt and go, "What? " because Kerbal uh Eric Mattis, one of our reporters, uh shared that they'd had an explosion with their water deluge system. [snorts] — Wow. — Which was a series of words. I did not I was not prepared to have that set of words go together, but it's because they have a gas fire generator that is handling that. So that was excitement over the weekend. — Um Yeah. — Yeah. Um Okay. — And they bought like 30,000 acres in Louisiana that we're not sure what SpaceX is going to be doing in Louisiana. Do you know what SpaceX is doing in Louisiana? This was a discussion we were having last night. We don't know what SpaceX is doing in Louisiana. — The only thing we want to know. I mean, the only thing I can think is that it is the I mean, it depends if it's on the Mississippi. — It's on the Gulf. — Yeah. Then it's a place they could ship and refurbish rockets maybe — or I was thinking build data centers. So, — I have vague unconfirmed memories of Louisiana [clears throat] getting one of the CHIP Act grants and Louisiana has been offering aerospace grants. Um, and that's a big enough piece of land that they could be doing start to finish power plant, ship manufacturing, assembly. So, I don't know. This is wild speculation. Deeply want to know. So, yeah. And we are recording this on May the 4th. So, I am required to say May the 4th be with you. — Uh, live long and prosper. Okay, let's begin. — All right. I am pressing record. I am pressing the other record. Have you pressed record? — I have pressed record. — All right, — here we go. Astronomy Cast episode 793, the science of Star Trek. Welcome to Astronomycast, where we fact-based journey through the cosmos, where we help you understand not only what we know, but how we know what we know. I'm Frisercane. I'm the publisher of Universe Today. With me as always is Dr. Pamela Gay, a senior scientist for the Planetary Science Institute and the director of Cosmoquist. Hey Pamela, how are you? — I am dealing with the fact that we appear to have astronomy cast triggered extreme weather Monday. — Yes, — there is thunder, there is hail, there is a pocket of red passing overhead while we record, — right? — Um, no tornadoes today though, — right? The last time we tried to record, you had multiple tornadoes bearing down on you. They were hunting you. — It's true. — Yeah, Yeah. And I am having unseasonably warm weather here. And — and I in the beginning of this episode, I'm gonna feel like I'm a little out of breath because I literally just came in from double digging out my vegetable bed in the grueling heat. It is crazy. Uh early May, we can still have freezing nights where I am in Canada in early May. — Um — we hit 28° yesterday, which I don't know that's,00 80s. — Yeah. Uh 2018 NF 82. So we hit 82

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Fahrenheit. Yeah. — Yesterday in Canada in early May. It's bananas. Uh I think the record for this place here is 25 degrees. So I think we kind of crushed it. Anyway, but I — These are not the records you should be striving for. — No, I know. the but the gardening must go on and so I go out until I completely overheat and then I hide away for the rest of the day in the air conditioned room that we have. So, but let's get on with this week's episode. Today we continue our miniseries evaluating the science of various sci-fi franchises. We did Star Wars last week. This week we tackled Star Trek. From transporters to warp drives, from phasers to photon torpedoes. Let's tackle what Star Trek gets right and wrong about science. But first, it's time for a break. And we're back. All right. Where do you want to start? Should we start in the same way that we did last? Did we start in transportation? Location? — I think we started. — Yeah, we started with location and then jumped to asteroids, which both series just get so wrong. — Yeah, everybody does. So, we're going to go with the uh the warp drive is another this is tunneling outside of regular space to get past — the speed of light. We're just going to accept it and appreciate the fact that they are at least using antimatter channeled through delithium crystals somehow or focused with the aid of dithium crystals. It's never really — explained uh which antimatter is the most efficient source of power that we know of. So kudos for that. — Yeah. They never really discuss how they're making their antimatter. — No, it's mining to lithium crystals is a real problem that comes up on the regular, but the antimatter is just sort of like So I mean dialethium crystals as the catalyst for making antimatter but the reality is that antimatter is merely a battery that you can take enormous amounts of energy you can create antimatter and theoretically dithium crystals will let you do this efficiently as close as possible to perfect E= MC² and then you can just go back and forth from — from regular matter or turn energy into antimatter at roughly equivalent of the amount of energy that you kick into it and then you store the antimatter, but they never talk about how they're going and getting their antimatter. They always just talk about the fact that the dithium crystals are this and we need more dilithium crystals and that and I think they literally don't think about the just the way you need to get your hands on antimatter. I am sure they think of it, but they very wisely don't discuss it because then we might have things to fault them for. — Yes. And this is a show that when they started filming it, there was such a difference in existing technology in uh in understanding of science compared to what we have today. that it's really easy to understand um why they would choose to make the choices they made. — Mhm. So, and I mean I think a lot of people are familiar with alubier drives that you know theoretically you can warp spaceime that in fact it's not completely crazy that you warp spaceime as a way to get you from your location to some destination just merely requires more energy than the universe — and negative energy or negative yeah — there's a lot of things in the Star Trek universe that uh really require more energy than it's comfortable [clears throat] to think about. — Um like core tenant of writing for Star Trek appears to be just ignore energy constraints. — Yeah. So warp drives, you know, you can move space can expand faster than the speed of light. So as long as you're not moving through space, you're bending space, then theoretically that is feasible. Uh, what about impulse engines? — They don't really explain those that I've seen either. They just are what you lose loose. They are what you use in

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solar systems. Uh, they don't have the same potential to destroy an atmosphere, although there are examples of warping out of atmospheres. Um, so in general, if you aren't trying to go massive distances, you use your impulse engines, — and you don't want to warp out of an atmosphere. That's dangerous, — right? But some kind of ion engine, something more related to — and smaller, — the kinds of propulsion systems that we have. And they take you up to the speed of light and — you know, not past it. And they don't require nay cells like warp drives do, — right? Yeah. Um, let's talk about tractor beams. [sighs and gasps] — So, I So, this is cool. So, I actually did an interview with somebody about tractor beams, just the most recent interview on my channel at the time of this recording. And the way this works is that you know you take advantage of the reality that you know if you charge something with one polarity then something else will be attracted to that if it's the opposite polarity. And so what they do is they have an electron gun. They fire electrons at a piece of space debris. This is all theoretic work but it you know they've tested in the lab and as you are firing your electrons at this target it is negatively charging the target and because you are giving up your electrons it is positively charging you. So now you and the target are attracted to each other and it starts to drift towards you. And so theoretically, you can imagine some scaled up version of this where they're able to just throw an enormous amount of electrons at the target, charge it up and pull it along. Probably not with the strength of a tractor beam, but that is like not totally crazy. — I I love this. Yeah, it continues to be the do not worry about how much energy might be used problem. — Yeah. Um, and what's cool about tractor beams is this is technology that it doesn't seem to follow the rules of momentum. So, you can have someone zipping past and as long as you can grab them, it doesn't cause the ship with the tractor beam to get yonked forward. You're not going to drag another ship off with the tractor beam. — Yeah. — And this is something in both the Star Trek and Star Wars universe that kind of confuses me. That like it's not like a rope. I I've owned horses. I own dogs that think they are horses. And when they take off on that leash, I'm going to feel a transfer of momentum. And that just doesn't seem to happen with tractor beams. This is apparently the part of the tractor being I am going to obsess over. — Right. Yeah. The energy — the failure to transition momentum. — Right. Right. That you're going to — that the ship that is getting grabbed onto isn't going to be able to pull all over Kingdom Come the ship that is trying to grab a hold of it. — Right. So, so firing your engines while being trapped in a tractor beam isn't going to just move you and whatever has locked a tractor beam onto you, — right? — But the tractor beam can pull something. — So, it's oneway failure to transfer momentum. — Got it. Okay. — Sorry. — No, no. It's fine. Um, all right. We're gonna talk about this some more, but it's time for another break. And we're back. All right. So, so let's talk about um weapons because I think we sort of transitioned to talking about weapons. So, we've got the phaser. — We'll start there. — Do you have any idea how a phaser works? — Okay. So, all right. So, I looked up a reference. There's the t is it the tnopedia? — Oh, Star Wars has the Wikipedia. I'm super familiar with that. I don't know the Star Trek one. — Um the what do they call it? — Um so they fire Nadon particle beams. So they've they essentially they've invented a new particle called the Nadon. And so then they um they fire energy again just like doesn't matter

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where it comes from into this crystalline substance and then this generates nadons which are uh then channeled into a coherent beam and they're fired at your target. So you have essentially a particle accelerator in your hand but not that you are accelerating existing particles. You were turning raw energy at exactly the right frequency into these nadons and then you are directing those nadons out and — but then how does the stunner work? — Well, the stun setting, who cares, right? it, you know, it it disrupts the nervous system. That the nice thing about the Nadons is that if you fire them at a low enough energy level, then they just disrupt the body's uh nervous system. But if you crank it up higher, then you kill. And if you crank it even higher, you disintegrate. — All right. — But right. But I love you know your description like you kind of blew my mind maybe 15 years ago when you were explaining how particle accelerators work that you are taking particles you are accelerating them in this — you know environment — field you're smashing them together you are concentrating energy and then particles are freezing out of that energy. — Yes. And that sounds like that's how these phasers work. That's how these work is that you were taking energy somehow you are accelerating you were taking the energy and you were concentrating into a small enough area with exactly the right frequency that you are generating this perfect kind of particle and then you are throwing that particle at your target and — and this is actually something we kind of know how to do. It's just a very imperfect science — where like when we're trying to create nutrinos of specific masses, — we're slamming particles together that have the combined mass energy that has the probability of coming out with these particles. — Now, the problem that we run into is there's multiple ways to add up to get that energy, but apparently they have a filter. So, we're good. — Yep. So photon torpedoes, they're simpler. They're very simple, which is that they're just matter antimatter. They're just kaboom. — And that I think the science is solid. — Yeah. That completely works. The trick is getting something to be sufficiently columnated over a great enough distance. And that I believe is solvable. So I'm — What do you mean by columnated? Like with photon torpedoes, you're firing this shell with matter and antimatter inside of it and then it just detonates when it hits its target. — They're lit up so they're not firing a packet of light that's created. They're actually firing the matter antimatter. — Yeah. They're they have a a shell — clearly knows Star Trek better than I do. I was prepared to talk about the computer systems and the transporters and you know so much more. — I have the technology book — and it's memory alpha according to the chat is the site that you go to. So it's written by Ethan Seagull. — Okay, that makes sense. — He wrote the technology book which goes into all of the technology of Star Trek. Um so yeah. Um — I like the way boom in pill form. Yeah, I was about to point the same thing out. — Yeah, exactly. Um, okay. So, let's talk about uh transporters. — They are death machines. And this is something that is not recognized often enough. — Yeah. [snorts] — These are devices that scan all of the atomic properties of your body. They are able to discern uh at the surface level uh the difference between what is you and your microbiome and clothing and what is the atmosphere and leave the atmosphere or the water or whatever it is behind. — Um but here's the thing is it scans all of the up down spin rotational modes. uh the quantum everything about your body uh where the electrical signals are in your nerve ner in your nerves um and then it disassembles you at the far end into the constituent matter that would have been there. So it replaces the atmosphere. We're not hearing a pop every time someone transports in and out. — And then that not inflated with that air

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— with a bug flying by. — Exactly. — Right. — Then it takes the volume of space that you would go into on the other end and replaces the you and your microbiome and your clothing and equipment as well and anyone who you happen to have scooped up. and then replaces that volume of space on the other end with particles that have the correct waveforms, the correct everything and the amount of energy and energy in this uh Yeah. — The amount of information and energy in this, — right? Yeah. Yeah. that you are dismantling a human being at range to an atomic level. You are storing — to a quantum level level. You are storing the information in a computer and then you are reassembling that person at another distance. Yeah, it is crazy. Now quantum teleportation — is real — different but that's like a single pair of particles at a distance that both simultaneously exist. — Yeah. — And the thing about the way transporters work is there's a buffer that's holding your signal — which means there's the potential as happened to Riker to create two of somebody. Um, and then there's also the there's a Heisenberg — compensator. — That's the word. Because in our reality as we understand it, you can know where something is or it's going and you can't know both at the quantum mechanical level. And if you don't know both, you can't recreate the human being, right? — Or the teacup or anything else. So, I deeply appreciate that both Willy Wonka and Gene Rodenberry came up with this really cool technology. Um, we're not getting it in real life as far as physics has any say. I think like the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy with its infinite improbability drive — is like a slightly more feasible idea. — Because we are a collection of particles with a probability state of us being where we are. — Yeah. — And that there is a slight but not zero chance that we're actually on Mars. That all of our particles fall — Yeah. or will fall through the chair or whatever. And so in the Hitchhog's Guide to the Galaxy, they just push the probabilities to put them somewhere else and that's how this thing is able to transport itself. And that is kind of cool that you could say, well, you happen to be here on our spaceship, but maybe there's a chance that you're down on the surface of that planet and then the probabilities of all of your particles shift and there you are down on the planet. That wouldn't allow you to store things in the pattern buffer and blah blah. Right. — But and that would probably not have you die in the way that a transporter is really a suicide booth, right? — Yes. — Yeah. Um Okay. So, that's transporters. Uh [gasps] um so we've covered engines, we've covered transporters, we've covered Let's talk about shields. Um, shields are another one of those things that takes a whole lot of energy, — uh, is somehow able to work without frying all the nearby electronics. So, here's the thing about shields is you can imagine that there's some sort of an EM field that is capable of when a energy weapon strikes it, the energy gets dissipitated through the field. Uh but if you had that powerful of a field, the stuff inside of the field would be getting impacted rather badly as well. And that's not happening. So I have no idea how shields work. — Um okay. Uh we're going to take another break [snorts] and we're back. All right. So let's talk about the communication system because they go faster than light with their ability to communicate. — Yes. And this is one of those things that you can start to imagine through quantum entanglement. Although there's the fascinating case that quantum entanglement requires the uh two communicating entities to each have a pair of particles that originated from each other. Except that's not a thing in the Star Trek universe. So yet again

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they simply made stuff up, which I respect. — Yeah. But I mean, like, it's really important to say you can't use entangled particles as a way to communicate faster than the speed of light. — No. Right. That that the that you know, the way I always describe it is that if you take a pair of gloves and you put them into two boxes and then you give them to two people and the people walk away and they go to other sides of the earth and one person opens up the box and goes, "Oh, I got the left glove. " — The other automatically has the right — the other person has the right glove, but no information has been communicated. It's not like you're like you can know when the person opened up their box and looked at their glove. — So, the thing is you can take a photon and you can run it through a filter and go, "Oh, it's left hand circularized. " You can then run it through another filter and have it now come out right hand circularized — and the changing quantum state gets reflected in the other particle as well. What we haven't figured out how to do is to get those changing quantum states to change at our backing call. Um so — well you observe them — and thus it is now stuck like that. — Right. But the but the point is that the act of observing the particle like if I'm the other person — and I observe my you know the two particles are entangled together. You've observed yours that doesn't tell me anything halfway across the galaxy. Even though you know if you see yours as right-handed mine will be left-handed. There is no way to communicate any information. They absolutely will instantaneously across any distance fall into their correct placings, but no information is communicated. I don't know. It's not like I get a little bell that goes ding. The other person is has observed their particle. There's just the back to the boxes with the left and right hand. Anyway, uh it's time for another break unless you want to keep fighting. Um uh and we're back. All right, we got to move on. Um let's talk about computers, holidays, things like that. All right. So, uh, the thing about the computers that didn't occur to me until I was prepping for this show is we have a lot of concerns nowadays, uh, at least randomly in moments of existential angst that there are little devices all around us all the time waiting for us to say key words. And when we say those key words, they leap into readiness. And it often feels like when you agree to that Facebook thing, do not agree to the Facebook thing that says it can be listening to you. It absolutely is and using that information for ads all the time. And and with my home device in a ball um or other people's home devices in a puck, uh they are listening for key words. But in the Star Trek universe, you just walk into a room and you say, "Lights on. " You say, "Earl Grey hot and you get into the uh uh not Jeffre Tubes, the moral equivalent of an elevator in three dimensions. " Um and all these things just somehow — that's the word, the turbo lift. Um, all of these devices somehow are constantly listening and able to filter intention — and no one ever worries about the fact that they're constantly listening and people are holding very personal conversations in these turbo lifts. That's a great plot device. And so you can imagine that a hacker could very readily — understand everything about everyone just by planting software seeds that are like get me the secrets of everybody because they're always being listened to. — Yeah. Um, that is such a low down concern scientifically compared to drive bothers me today. — It sure does. Yeah. Now, to be fair, on the turbo lifts, I think they hold a little handle. — That's only in the old generation. — Yeah. But they grab a little handle and that is like UI. Yeah. It's a UI thing — to show intention. But obviously I mean we are just one more techn technological advancement away from your claude or chat whatever listening to you

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and knowing when you're talking to it just because it's obvious in the same way that a human like if we were in the room together and I looked over at you and I said t earl grey hot and you'd be like all right and you'd get up and you you'd make some tea for us. Um, I wouldn't have to go Pamela T Earl Grey hot. You would, you know, you you'd get the intention, right? Or earthquake, we should run, you know, uh, concerns about the software figuring this out. It's strictly the privacy concerns. — Sure. — We, as we move into the future, there's going to be less and less privacy. Every time someone goes through the transporter beam, every bit of their medical knowledge is now in that computer. — Yeah. — Um, so I don't know. I had an existential crisis preparing for this show about privacy concerns in the Star Trek universe. I don't know why. It was just where my morning went. — Yeah, that is so the least of our concerns. — Yeah, brains aren't Brains do what brains are going to do. Let's talk about a couple of things that they did get super right. Um the one is the just the communication devices. — Yeah, they're ubiquitous. They are carried everywhere. They come in itty bitty tiny voice only. They come in face to face. Yeah. — Uh they catch you in awkward moments. Yes. — Um, all these things they the original uh show didn't catch the awkward moments nearly as much as that got caught in subsequent uh shows — after uh we started having Skype and FaceTime as part of our dayto-day experience. — But I mean like think about the original Star Trek and the little flip phone. — Yeah. — I mean that was — that was a thing in the '9s. — That was the Razor, right? Um, and then the pad. — Yes. — Was absolutely the iPad. — And then the iPad. — Yeah. — Newton did it first. — And you could absolutely have a little badge on your chest that you touch it and it's a connection to your chat GPT that then — takes it, you know, listens to what you say and then performs actions on your behalf. Like that is absolutely within Yeah. The Apple Watch with a cell connection is essentially a chest thingy down to all the health sensors embedded in it. — It's just it turns out health sensors really want to be touching your skin. — Yeah. So, so I think we are I mean so far ahead of schedule on the on the computing and the telecommunications side of things. — Try quarters, — right? Yeah. There was an X-P prize like a decade ago where they were trying to build a triquarter essentially — and they're slowly getting there between infrared imaging of the human body. There there's actually been weird cases in museums of infrared uh educational cameras uh revealing pregnancies revealing uh circulatory disorders all these kinds of weird things. So between the combination of uh easy small uh ultrasound, infrared cameras, sensors that now have the ability to use cameras to sense oxygenation levels, to sense pulse, to sense through the skin, uh sort of uh blood sugar levels, those you really want to sample. Um we're getting really good at this stuff. — Yep. Totally. Yeah, it's really interesting. Um, was there anything else in the Star Trek universe that you wanted to think about? — So, one of the things that I want to acknowledge is because this is the universe we live in. As the Hubble Space Telescope imagery started to hit the zeitgeist, Star Trek started basing the way they did Nebula, so many different things on what Hubble was revealing about our universe. Uh there is in the opening to strange new worlds uh a re-imagining of uh actual Hubble imagery. Uh Travis Rector who was part of the Hubble Heritage Project got to help collaborate on that image. — That's cool. And Star Trek has consistently over the decades been part of helping NASA get real science out to the public and show anyone could be part of science. And there's a lot of really good

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information out there about how at a certain level Michelle Nichols really struggled with why am I not out there being part of the um civil rights movement? Why am I not out there being more active? And there were so many people that said, "Look, you're on TV every day being a role model of a future where a black woman can be a communications officer with the ability to speak more languages than is rational. " — Right. All right. Uh I think next week we're going to try and tackle Stargate. — Stargate. Yes. — Nice. All right. Finally, the one true science fiction. — Thanks, Pamela. — Thank you, Fraser. And thank you to everyone out there whose name I am about to mispronounce. — All right. Thanks, everyone. And we will see you next week. — Bye-bye, everyone. And then they [clears throat] saved. — And I guess we should do Battle Star. — I mean, we don't have to. We don't have to, but — let [snorts] me figure out how many I can fit in before we run out of season. — Mhm. I mean, the thing is that I will mostly whine about how Battlestar Galactica has betrayed me. I mean it there is the really good science where they leap through space and their eye their blood vessels explode and that's also in the expanse. So I think we can sort of sneak it in that really well. Yeah. We'll just sneak it in other places. — Yeah. Um no but I mean like they've got the jump drives in Battlestar Galactica. They've got — uh like drones and missiles. They've got the sort of the vipers. — Capria has that really cool idea that human beings can be reduced to a ridiculously small amount of information when you are trying to create um AI based on human beings. And we're now seeing that proven out. — Yeah. And then I think the biggest thing that they deal with is the issue of AI and synthetic people. And so I think it's I think Battlestar is totally worth doing. — Okay. — Yeah. And then with the I mean with the expanse, I mean there's the fusion drives, there's the missiles, point defense weapons, — spinning up asteroids. There's a lot of good stuff in that. [clears throat and snorts] — Yeah. And one of the things that's interesting in expanse is the epigenetics that comes up of what happens when people — are in outer space. — Yeah. Um Yeah. I think that'd be great. And like the Mars woman going to Earth. — Yeah. and struggling so hard. But she doesn't struggle as bad as — I'm going to need to have like the cast and all of their names on the screen in front of me. — Yeah. — The uh black woman uh — right she's from the belt. — Yeah. She's a belter and in the books at least I need to rewatch the series. Um, she tries to go down to the surface of one of the worlds they go to and it makes her super sick and affects her heart and Yeah. — Yeah. Yeah. Um, okay. I'm uploaded. Everything is safe. Um, so I finished The Parable of the Sewer — a couple of days ago and now I've moved on to the Parable of the Talents, which is the next book by Octavia Butler. — Yes. [gasps] And oh man, — did she predict — everything. — Uhhuh. — It's scary. So she even predicted Trump's um slogan, which is to make America great again. Yeah, they look they say that and then the and then they talk a lot about how they choose essentially powerless minorities and use them as scapegoats for all of the wrongs that people feel. — Yeah. — Just incredible. Um, [snorts] — on a happier note, I have to admit I abandoned reading Hank Green's uh science fiction book because he gets so much into the struggles of trying to make it in new and social media that I was like, too close, too real. Nope, nope. Must stop. — I [snorts] haven't even Yeah. So, the female lead character

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uh is dealing with a whole lot of anxiety around how to build her brand and needing to wear makeup and getting things out at the correct point in the news cycle and like the uh how you can inadvertently become an just trying to do your job right. And — Hank Green knows this all and thinks about it a lot, — right? And I was like, Hank, you are working out problems and I need to I'm going to go read Dungeon Crawler Carl because Sound Boo Theater just came out with a new episode and Yeah. — So, have you read them all yet? — Yeah. So, I'm going through So, May 15th is when The Parade of Horribles comes out. — Yeah. — And uh Sound Boo Theater is going through and doing full cast. And the [clears throat] thing that gets me is Jeff Hayes is as far as I'm concerned the single best narrator out there in this series. There's other stuff he's narrated where I would never have said that about his narration, but in this series, I thought I was listening to the full cast and I was not. — Um, Right. — And yeah, so — Logan loved Yeah. Logan just loves the audio book of Dungeon Crawler Carl and he's he just wrapped up his second listen through it — and is getting ready for the eighth book. seventh book and book — and the Kickstarter backer kit stuff they've done is obscene in how like they're getting ready to hit — what is it 40,000 people participating in their RPG backer kit — and there's a TV show now being planned and yeah skull John Scholsey was joking that uh Matt Denimman got accused of skulls ying it up and Skullsy was like I I wish. So it was just it was delightful. — What else have we been watching doing? — What else I read? I've been watching The Boys and Oh my god, that's another one where like there was an interview with one of the show creators who was just like when we filmed this, we had not anticipated that Trump was going to do all of the I am Jesus imagery and it kind of wrecked our plotline. It was just crazy. — Yeah. Um, yeah. Someone's asking how For All Mankind is, so it's the new season of it with them on Mars. It's fine, but it really feels um — the ratio of plot to uh technology has much less technology than other seasons. — Yeah. I'm not It's f like it's fine, — but I'm not having my mind blown by it in the way that I did in the first couple of seasons. Mhm. — Like they're on Mars and the people on Mars are struggling for autonomy and — and there's a lot of people going down corridors and arguing in building in rooms and — Yeah. And there's very little of it being space. So — um — I I'm amused by the way you put that. There's a lot of people going down corridors. — Yeah. People walking down corridors. Yeah. That's Yeah. [snorts] That's a lot of what it is. Um — trying Oh, I also uh read Saturday like it was one day while gardening. I got through all my gardening and I got entirely through the book Operation Bounce House. — That's on my Yeah, it's on my list from the library. I'm waiting for my turn with the book. — Yeah. And yeah, it's completely different and you want authors to have breath. It is again something where it's just like yeah humanity would do that humans are — Yes. — Um and then I also read a um oh her real first name is Ursula. She goes by King Fisher and King Fisher. I read her retelling of Sleeping Beauty and it's told from the perspective of the fairies and I it's it's absolutely stunningly beautiful. I listened to it just because it was already available in Libby um and I have no regrets and uh and now everything else that King Fisher has done is of course on waiting lists. So — Right. Yeah, I wait. — Um, yeah, a lot of, you know, my

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Libby list 10 is 10 long, so I'm waiting. — Um, we should figure out how to get library cards for each other. — Yeah, that would be cool. — Get access to other libraries. Um, so what else we do? So, wife and I rewatched the Cornetto trilogy from Edgar Wright. So, that's Shawn of the Dead, uh, Hot Fuzz, and World's End. Yeah, I've watched Shaun of the Dead, but I haven't seen the other two. — Oh man, they're so good. They're better now. Now I know. — Yeah. I would say they call the Cornetto trilogy just because they eat these cornetto ice creams in each one and so that's the thing that hangs the three movies together. — I did not. — Yeah. But they're terrific. Um and just his editing is just on point. Did you ever watch Scott Pilgrim versus the World? — Yes, many times. And then the which is sideways of it. — Yeah. So that's Edgar Wright, right? That's his directing style and he really figured this directing style out, this editing style in Hot Fuzz and especially World's End. Just it's incredible. Um, but there's a scene in Shaun of the Dead where Shawn is like walking around and he's just totally exhausted, hung over, and people are milling around. And then they do another scene, but now it's post-apocalypse and he's walking along and everything and it is exactly the same. Every motion is the same, every person is the same, and yet they're all zombies now. It's so good. Yeah, there's you can go to YouTube and you can see people where they compare the two. — Okay. Um, but yeah, — rewatch this. — Yeah. Um, man, what else did we watched? We've been going through my backlog of movies. We're about a quarter of the way through all of the movies that I bought. So, um, but yeah. And we watch Well, this isn't sci-fi, but we watched um [snorts] Marty — Marty Short. — No. Um, man, why am I having trouble with it? — The ping pong playing one. Marty Supreme. Yeah, — Marty Supreme. Wrong sword. Yes. — Martin Schwarz, the human. — Yeah. Marty Supreme was great. I liked it. It was not like I want to watch this. I want to buy a copy of this and put it on my wall. Great. But it was a good movie. I really enjoyed it. Yeah. — Sinners and Frankenstein are the two that I fell in love with this season. — Sinners was terrific. I haven't watched the Frankenstein. Carla liked it. Didn't love it. the uh costumeuming in it. If I had money, I would be doing so much cosplay based on that movie. And it's a really if you've read the book Frankenstein, I know a lot of people only know it from the movies that aren't totally based, they're like inspired by the book. This is the closest to the book that I think I've ever seen. — Mhm. Um, and then another good one that came out recently was The Predator: Bad Lands. — Yeah, — that was shockingly good. — Yeah, I really enjoyed it. — Popcorn flick. — Yeah, totally. U It was tight and told a great story and the special effects were good and the world building was good. Wow. — I enjoyed that movie beginning to end and I was ready to just hate it, which was which is funny because normally you have a pretty good sense of how good a movie is going to be when you go into it. And I think — that it had gotten like Rotten Tomato bombed or something early on and so you know for being overly woke or something I don't know. — And so we were watching it. I was prepared for like this is going to be garbage. I'm like wait this is great. I am really I'm smiling this entire movie. Yeah, it's on I added it to my top 100 sci-fi movies of all time list. — Last year was a really good year for movies. And then something like I dropped my subscription to Alamo Draft House in February because there just haven't been enough good movies lately to justify — spending money going to the theater. Yeah. Well, I mean, we've dropped our streaming — uh providers at this point. So, we've still got Prime and Apple is just about to run out and then and so I won't be able to give you information what I think about various Apple shows and then at some point we'll just pick it up for one month, burn through them all and then put it back down again. — That's what I do. — We dump Netflix. We've dumped Disney, which we were never watching. Um and — I get Disney free with one of my credit cards. So, one of the hacks I have learned is I have two different credit cards. One that specifically gives me Disney Plus and another that gives me a certain amount of credit each month strictly for streaming. — Right. — So, I still have streaming, but I'm not paying for it. I mean, I'm paying for it just in other ways. — Yeah. Uh Yeah. And then the one

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that we have in Canada, it's called Crave, and it's sort of like our version of HBO. — Yeah. No, — it's not great. Um we whenever something happens they go crave um but it is how you get John Oliver and — uh Game of Thrones and things like that. But my I bought that for a year and so it's going to lapse in uh October and I'm going to let that go and then I think what we'll do is we've got all of our movies. We've got the library movies that I could bring home anytime. — We'll always have Prime because — we're not gonna Yeah. We're not gonna cut Prime. And a lot of movies go through Prime. So, I think that's probably most of what we're going to need. And then every now and then for Apple, we'll just, you know, when we buy new phones, new computers, whatever. Then they give it to you for 3 months, we'll just keep refreshing Apple that way. So, yeah. — Exactly. — Um, so what's coming up? What's going on? Uh we are uh this month over on Patreon and this is free for people who join CosmicQuest for free. Uh please throw pennies to the scientists if you have them. I need to [snorts] do a parody of throw coins to the Witcher. Um we are doing a celebration of Hubble turning 36 because that's getting up there for a satellite that's down to three gyroscopes. So I figure it's like grandma. You celebrate every birthday like it's the last. — Yeah. — Um so yeah, we are every day putting out uh new information, celebrating the history of Hubble. Today we are going to talk about uh repairs to the optics. It's only day four of the month. Uh so um it's first image came back on May 20th and we're just going to celebrate all month long. — That's great. You were invited to do a TV interview, weren't you? — Yes, I was on NBC Nightly New Well, not Night News. I was on NBC News Now, which is a different nightly news show on NBC. Um, I'm going to share the link out. And Dreamless Phantom over on Twitch is like, I can't wait to read Dr. Pamela's sci-fi novel. I don't know if that is random speculation or you heard me talking about the writing retreat that I went to back in February um where I got COVID but also got through a couple chapters of writing. I am in the background very very slowly working on a sci-fi novel. — Nice. — So — well I can't wait to hear more about it you maniac. — So what all — masochist — what all do you have on your plate? Um, we're doing my live stream, my live question show later on today. Um, it's going to be really quiet. Um, I haven't mentioned this, but I'm going back to Japan. — Yes. — In a week and a half. So, in 10 days from now, no less a week. — Can you share what cities you're going to? — I'm probably going to do the same. Tokyo, Osaka, Kyoto. Taking my wife there for the first time. — That is excellent. You missed the cherry blossoms and that makes sad for you, but you're missing the humans as well. — Exactly. Yeah. So, we're going the time when the weather is nice, but the hotels are available. — Yeah. — Everything isn't overcrowded. It's the end of the uh of all the holidays that they have in Japan. So, it should be it's a nice kind of more relaxed time. And so, we're just going to do two weeks and then, you know, hopefully it's a place she likes as much as I like. and maybe we'll figure out ways to spend more time there. So, — um yeah. Yeah, — I eat some of the I'm so bad at remembering what they're called. The happy little uh seaweed wrapped triangles of rice and tasty goodness. — Oh, um 7-Eleven. — Yeah. Yeah. Oh my god. Why am I having trouble? — And like you on Yeah. Oniri. I have only been able to find those in Hawaii in the US. — Yeah. And they're one of my favorite foods and — I lived off of them when we were in Thailand. So I would buy go get breakfast. I would go oniri and [clears throat] Americano and a raisin bun for breakfast at the local 7-Eleven. — So raisin and seaweed is a combination of tastes that just did really bad things to the inside of my mouth just thinking about it. — Yeah. Yeah. [gasps] All right, we've uh reached the end of our hour. Thank you everyone for hanging out with us. Thanks in advance to Rich Ally, all of those of you who must manage this nonsense. Um, and we will see all of you next week. — Bye-bye, everyone. — Indeed. All right. Bye-bye.

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