Co-Op Match | OpenAI Five Finals (5/6)

alright well let's find out I believe we do have the flower in place so let's head over to a Kevin and hotel for the King with humans and AI versus humans and the AI how does it feel man feels bad man it feels rough there it's surprising there they're really good at what they do and I think if you really want to beat them reliably youyou want to find a way to take them out of their game and just be playing your game the problem is once you get sucked into what they're doing which is this five heroes staring at five heroes and now it's about clicks buttons better that is when you're never gonna win yeah well one thing I thought it was really interesting about game one especially you guys were winning you had that team fight made where you ecco signed and you Requiem did you got like two kills yeah but it's like before they were even dead they knew like oh we're pushing right after this and as soon as they were alive they instantly went mid it was like they didn't they just they processed things so much faster than humans in that way yeah so I had that debate back there also just now this is debate I will have I will keep having even with the AI guys unless they show me differently and I believe that there is no way you can make that calculation at least at the point where you're gonna win the game maybe they can say that yeah we're gonna buy back and we're gonna take this to you too this does not mean that they take the tier 3 and if they do not they lost to Heroes Bob back one in my head is not gonna be worth it in most people's daughter ahead it's not gonna be worth it you know because now it's the same thing happens for the tier 3 eventually it's just gonna get to a point where we're gonna want to that team it's gonna have 10 or 15 K ahead and the teamfight is gonna be 2 4 0 3 4 0 or 5 4 2 it's gonna be harder and harder for the AI to get that cooldown trade for an objective trade and even if they get the rax is it even worth it if they get wiped and now is 15k behind then we got to our critical mass and now they can no longer fight I don't think I can make that calculation I think it makes calculations ahead of time maybe for the tier 2 and this is how it's gonna win this is what we talked about is they're buying back because maybe statistically they lose more when games go past 30 minutes that's why they knew that we have to go now well I think we're ready for the teams here yeah let's take a look there's the rules for the match it's a team as two human players and three open AI five teammates and there's no special training this is just the open AI doing their best based on the weird things that would be pixel does I know that the AI is very beautiful as is of course they can get to a place where humans may not stand a chance one day I mean it's inevitable for everything if you keep working on it I do think yeah I do think dota is a game where humans can hang on for a long time though it's a very deep game with the amount of Heroes and the amount of constant changes that are also being made Sivir blitz and open AI five versus capitalist OD pixel co-op match I think you're supposed to be up here with us you first well too late yeah we have a lot of air insult open hours dude we're not gonna get any bounties she rickover it all in all the knowledge beautiful clicking time three bounty runes for us can i okay a lot less exciting game than that first game of the series it's probably cuz we should not try leaning yeah maybe we should have a crystal Maiden Viper lane you think I care if I die boy you

stole my kill well done Cheever what's going on just do that come on man Oh what's Razer doing here yeah I mean I was definitely not yeah my razor was like oh you're coming in with an in misery well let me leave that's all that one's obvious that's on me right yo Coco kill kill be super pink honor yep given the I'll chat data mode its the humid place we can fight this hey I'm already dead get a bone I don't think I'm killing Owen unfortunately well played on us jump cap setting up by a good AI for success Oh help me hopping up me oh my god dude where's my fight bird why is he farming neutrals very nice Ryan Hache alright that was a little bit of a listening for the players so far Johan you still here with me what do you think so far we have a queen of pain dying right now I'm gonna see if Owen gets out oh are you taking the play-by-play role okay hey they're making a calculation right bit also based like what the enemy is doing but now they kind of have to readjust their constant calculation whenever their ally is doing something that they didn't predict for them to do oh my god Owen is owning he's in killing well they just got like two levels from that that's pretty huge yeah you know I support getting Elaine early Oh more action it's a lot of shrapnel down here they should have an easy to say belong although food stacking stunts here okay it works out oh that's a buyback first one oh they got the Viper oh you stilted game's over here's the guy you want us to tilt but I do think that human nature doesn't really want that human nature well it's going really well for dining off it I think human nature we'd also talked about earlier yes sir pointed it out that we like accumulating things on one person and like that person trusts himself and other people put trust in that person this is maybe why you naturally put more resources on a guy or a guy really wants more resources on him we almost have a dagger on shaker position yeah oh wait this pops out of position I hadn't seen somebody get two points in blink before six I'm caught before either so really trying some new things he's a user support he can set the new mother history something like a dead calf here well coordinated gank here how many thousands of hours did they practice placing Ward's is to figure this one unless the real question yeah yes that's why I also think you could learn from a I give 0 stop in the public was like just that AI warding spots what if what could figure out oh boy but it doesn't seem like they do anything next local you know I remember the days where you couldn't see spawn boxes by holding alt easily but yeah of course it was it's like scary if they're Vicki is ready and you're trying to blink call or he'll gonna let their bot have it nope not worth it he'll definitely kill steal them they can't get mad at him nope can't get reported by box so we think anyway that's the next training we've been called in for chat Lou training acid and ood pixel also joining the group but oh it's going I thought he was gonna go the other way I don't know you we have three humans dead right now oh and some open AI tactics right there looks a little familiar it's like oh we lost a teamfight we just hit the jungle there's a little out of position but okay good luck on this one this is they should leave him I think they have to leave him are they actually thinking about this they're gonna fight line disabled sounds for bit sniper BKB buddy's in melee range it's okay though Sven getting damaged can get picked off but snipers up old echo slam they do get the trade out though sniper does not escape and that's a pretty big team fight for the dire team what do you think changer I mean they got the CM killed and they instantly one made us at all no I've seen this movie before oh he had the opportunity I just got a

flash back to me and top he was trying to kill this crystal Maiden oh yeah that was a good moment won't cry yes everyone enjoyed doing it Oh aftershock not working because of the nether toxins on the ground that's gonna hurt cap quite a bit here OD is looking pretty dead there yeah just two humans trying to play against bots nothing new here I'm gonna work out very well Fischer they all admit I think they're trying to tell the bots what to do I think yeah because it looks like the game might be complete stalemate right as they need their BOTS to be playing with them but they are all hitting neutrals if I remember quickly I think they had some control over where the bots go like they could instruct them all right so they but they only allow them to tell them what to do during the laning stage that's what they're ready an ally chat apparently yeah so they're that they change their mind or they're not fully programmed what is this going to be I guess that's still gonna have to be there they're working right what he picks looking very dead gay OD pixel read the message and he followed it AG son Shiro I love these Ultimates for example right they're worthless I mean you're saving maybe one second Oh save so I can't that part is true he does a flak cannon for getting what he deserves get a lot of pull no can't let him pull kept this secure all right now they decided was it's go time I guess I mean the Viper kill is what it took waiting for a mistake here we go fight for it's meant for sickness though oh he's on top sniper this is pretty big hurricane PI Carter used BKB sound oh he gets him and now oh and kind of cleaning things up but spend and DP on the backline they can still defend this easily the bots are running the missiles coming though maybe duels in two seconds but as soon as the glimmer goes away he'll use him right yep but he does still die it's good punish this could be a career feel pretty easily oh the humans that was definitely the humans message you know I actually don't think so I actually think it was the boss I got to work on the Kruger my goes oh that's basically your oh your entire game look like it's like oh you're about to do something amazing but then you stopped cap had to die for Owen since I would say the AI is dictating a big part of what's happening in this game you have more I do think we have a little more control on entire steam also because we're playing this or that we have this often shaker in this Queen where then the to course is the razor sniper just very powerful for them and radio and they just don't seem to be doing as much with their course I mean will has been trying but every time it's like not on the same page as the bots don't seem to want to do it you can't really play daughter alone it's a five-man game killed Buster decided to save the blood thorn for the potential fight thinking ahead I was pretty sick book on both thrown from low ground and seals easy kill alright now we'll see what they do with us say they've got a hero advantage OD they're jungling okay mmm-hmm getting out of him might not be a problem but staying on top of it might be when he's sitting here trying if he does die this be pretty bad oh my god he's shredding the vapor use cheese that was fast backpack that was a beautiful fissure by cap that's the definitely one thing they're bad at dealing with of those fissure balls yes I agree I you guys have used that quite well okay kiddo Tyrell lives another taking the racks three heroes remaining sniper it does not have BKB so if they got on top of him you will die but he still has to somehow get the hits well they good just they're gonna get their acts yeah they're just gonna hit buildings what he picks that will be up in a second but I mean all he has is just an opening he's just at damage here super taking the damage BKB okay is really safe Wow okay they're just doing it well it's a good way to defend them they want offensive well that was a really good use of cheese and eggs that bought them the whole side top and 2/3 and range fraction ed so you're saying they would play really good spirit breaker yeah exactly like that that is terrifying right if you have a spear breaker player who has them is monitored on the whole map who's dead it's a terrible oh boy that's a pretty good kill considering oh this is a new award maybe here's the backstab they did not like how the fight start or so they were doing a full retreat that they weren't ready I think the Viper is moving around for the ward down and he did it but it was after the fighter Daughtery started so um potentially he was something happening thank you oh you

pixel super sounds use both options to get out now he's in trouble but they've got a lead their team zoning they got this it's over this is game actually it has to be over that's a lot in Hills well Scott what is it forever he's got the blink away if you can just buy tile you have to do a lot all is get the humans and the boss to chase you and you'll buy time I just feel like to spend is way too big of a deal the showers gonna spawn and he's gonna die trying to defend if they're gonna go thrown I hope I mean for the Queen and shaker shake I decided here for towered moment a cap is like you guys are free hit a Miss with me all right there go and the bots are helping he's not BKB for fight - for a while a talent that's really nice hey Salim to be having right now there's gonna be an Oscar a sound some may be going it's a sniper hurts man it's gotta be so careful he doesn't have I back here both eyes pieces over adults great for staff that was fight for saving his life actually Piper forced him out of the way oh my god got a dead thing he kills me he kills what are you what did you just backpack he just changed something in his backpack mid didn't he oh okay now I was wrong I think I thought he did all right heels for the drama see they defended it instant assessment put it on cooldown Ultimates a little early here oh boy about stone I think he's expecting cap that goes on there at the blaming account haha shits that that Viper cures my first strike DPS here that's a mega creep yeah I thought Dyer for sure had this game but now is gonna be reused don't worry count how are you watching he's still alive though oh never we'll clean it up here the lion pot running for his life he's gonna live sniper dealing damage in the meantime will it's gonna get cleaned up and now they taken one there's buybacks available all that buy back from Jack up that this is how they're gonna lose yeah look at the driver he's rolling down it no all right so they're not allowed to die in the Viper or gyro at least been cut off in a bad position no trade yeah this guy might be that this is a really big problem now that now they might lose the throne if but they're not looking at the mid wave is the key to getting the throne I mean it's in the river they're still so if they manage to protect this wave and get it to the throne this is when they can keep killing people and potentially win the game but they're spending all this time running around to kill by prints off one hero seconds yeah one hero could have caught the wave mid and we would have already been looking at the tiers tier foresman if they want it but then it would have been done through youtube but my look all the bots are clean they're actually just splitting them up big you also throw Sven in the air like the dairy team of doing this and in the meantime what's line doing he's this guy can't defend against mega creeps on himself he's in trouble now sniper getting Auto attacked as well there's the call down damage and now he is looking dead by back instantly from sniper five heroes alive now still a couple dead on the radiant team but they get some pick offs it'll help out cap disable this okay he gets up it's hard time there's blood on him now it looks really hard for it for dying Cheever in a little trouble gear jebaited man the book that was so ready here line in choke were running away we'll use and results as well but he's taking a lot of damage and sniper he's got to be careful it's got a gap close get in the air something get some health oh look for that finger of death being used there to finish them off and now they're running back to the fountain to heal but they do have a disadvantage three heroes versus five and what does the reading do they say let's go check Roshan nope yeah no they're thinking about death prophet painted that was we'll be careful here it's very close look at us spend he's like he's standing still because he cannot comprehend what does happen smashing is a digital keyboard big echo on two years but uh the bots are nowhere to be found they weren't ready telling no campus that's not the initiation sniper what are you doing then he's got to kill these Tori hood the crease oh

that's the raw this numbers just leave man he's not helping out report that guy don't be a bubble downer rays were gonna try to tank things up he's got BKB here to buy some time but everybody just running away it's not over yet Bodhi looking like he can clean up here with help from sniper I will you know at least he kept trying you know like he's one of those negative players that's kind of like playing on the sea surfer they're really negative but they'll never stop trying yeah this is the heart of money for 56 min again like the resources have been cleaned up by efficiently I think by both teams it's simply jungling like that is one thing the bots are good at for sure was a sniper second set of boots working out oh he's got a lot of money know what's happening there's a whole money that he should be spending given item issues of Ascona hyperstone boost the speed but don't eat the moon shard do something you know note it is I think I don't think they've ever been in this is like the moment where they've never been in this position before they're quick or like the item suggestions ran out you know how you build your list and the list has been run dry now is that the end of little bit list waves pushed they're looking for an opportunity here Piper he's not a fear stack afraid what is he gonna refresh our brother BKB I guess all right there's a refresher or being used instantly double ultimate he's got his BKB ready Oh we'll make it a big mistake he jumps in but innocent BKB gets killed at the start of the fight this could be the opening of the dirty knees but snipers dead flying is dead Earthshaker is dead can he defend with just three heroes racers trying to buy some time here but everybody thought not and I'd likely teleport here and that one just might be the end of it big echo slam catching some damage on for years but nice that robot that should definitely be a trophy that go slam yeah okay well that's five years dead I think it's finally over unless nope maybe uh maybe that's drunken defense oh thank you Piper Oh like how he finishes with this a specific you throw on his dying tell you talk crap is a copepod so that's gonna be victory for the radian team that was blitz and sheever taking the win the death prophet there crystal made in and you know maybe some of there maybe some of their open AI hoping a little too well I would definitely not have been happy with my sniper in that game I'll tell you that in here nope I would have put it all on my core is that the moment you tell him to buy a divine rapier he's got 7,000 gold your mega creeped when you ask him for one on one much yeah I think he deserves it after that one have done that's a fun game that was the coop match for the day what do we say she be easy unless someone who played the words you oh you mean you and Shiro he's asking who do you think played the worst uh I think uh same flame somebody on broadcast for everybody it's the job say I was very impressed with the Queen Owen and then you went and just shat all over it like yous you see the radiance by like how much did we do with that didn't really we had it before tonight maybe it maybe that's why the Magus came this that's we can talk to you there hello yeah oh that's one way to push creep waves for sure just by radiance on queen of pain interesting game I definitely think that something happens with you know the way they calculate but a lot happens when they have human teammates that just mess up there it just looked like a normal pub game genuinely actually they've got typical European pop game but compared to how much they beat you guys especially Game two like it was extremely convincing we didn't see the same thing with human players so there's definitely some something to be said about like how impressive the teamwork is and normally we don't even get to see really good teamwork unless we see teams of five players that practice consistently it's a definitely a very different level so I was pretty fun good day of matches so far so there's something to AI that I think we could I mean like we talked about it already there's a lot we can learn already but I'm just curious if you were to give a other certain tools just to experiment to see like the idea of item bills you know you have spent and if you did this just with the 17 heroes that they have where they open up all the items for all the heroes

would we be seeing something different that's why I'm wondering I don't know if it said I actually don't know how it works so these are the item set board just generalize for the heroes or these are the items that the heroes do truly want because then is what I'm already talking about ionization is like a huge part of the game right like you obviously when a patch comes do you think some heroes not good but it would just take some guy to invent some crazy item bill and it changes the whole game it's like oh crap that heroes actually a 55% when we prayed here or not a 50 or something yeah anyways we have some replays to watch from the match some of those wonderful highlights hopefully a couple human players dying here have you worked this is the first thought that we caught kept getting wrapped around bye Sivir big early game fight will was feeling confident with his team like he was gonna be able to get two kills but he couldn't instant solves from the lion he didn't solve this night / auto trick yeah his early fights 18 minutes later here another engagement in the jungles were the radiant team this is very common right to group up and try to take the enemy safe Lane tower like after the laning stage is over right yeah I mean the tier ones out of the tier ones that tower does seem like a very natural one to wrap around on and to go for that wasn't the trophy there's gonna be another trophy echo slam coming if we get to see it I don't think we could see it line running first life fairly able to live we probably have so many clips this is mega creeps for so long and they just can't quite take it but this is maybe one of the good parts bkb's were so huge still in these matches that's for sure yeah their usage is really good I mean it is really good and there's even two done they have given it a reaction time of 0. 2 0. 3 that's like the typical human reaction time to something that happened they could put it as 0 that was the yeah the end of the game 59 minute game there aka advantage on huge advantage despite having mega creeps but that's gonna be it for us the casters no tail thanks a lot for coming on we really appreciate it thanks for the insights on open AI and you'll get a chance to play them in the future or as I hope soon take some for exactly that throwback to the desk