I Got Rejected By Devs So I Built 50 Workflows In 30 Days

So, I'm Max, the original flow programmer. I'm here with Summer Chang. Hi, Summer. Hi. Hi, everyone. Summer, where are we right now? We are in Petrol of Hill, San Francisco. Here we are at this park. They're having this big whale contacts. Thank you very much for the recommendation. As I was saying off camera, very often when I come to San Francisco, I hang out in startup offices. So, it's nice to have a little bit of the culture. And the weather is nice. Good vibe here. Everybody is having fun. People with their family, they dress up. they can join the Sunday time with family and friends. I was looking at your LinkedIn and I noticed that you have a design background, right? You have an MFA. How

did automation come into the picture with that sort of a background? Actually, I just got into the automation in February when I joined the hackathon event hosted by Lovable and 11 Labs. I walk into the hackathon without any teammate. I was like a designer talking to maybe onethird of the people there. They're all developers and then I pitch myself to them like well you need a designer to be on your team but no one wants me to be on their team. That was like so much rejections people they don't need designers to be on their team. If I may as a UX designer myself fools you need a UXer in the room we know what we're doing. That must have been very frustrating. So that's why I'm like I probably can do some of the no code tools and to do the back end side of things. I can do the fun ended side of things but what's a backended side of thing looks like so that's why I find out in the end great tool has so much resources great community I just enjoying learning this tool and have built over maybe 50 60 of uh automation flow you have 50 to 60 workflows and how long have you been using n less than 30 days for n you can have the two weeks free trial but Yeah, less than a month. Summer, you definitely make more workflows in a month than I have, but it sounds like you caught the flow programming bug. That's fantastic. But just to repeat back in my own words, so you were at a hackathon and you wanted to find a team and you were having a hard time finding a team because you got this UX background and they're like, well, we don't need UX anymore. We got Lovable, right? And then you left the hackathon, you like, you know what, I think I could do back end as well. And that's what triggered your journey to find a tool where you could do that so that you could use your UX skills, have the back end as well. Yes, I'm like new to the tool. So, I need to find the templates I can use or people are teaching or using the tools and then I can actually learn quickly. I that's why I'm join some of the communities especially neck hurts AIS plus a shout out to him. He's awesome. He's such a great instructor. Great community too. People that are so inspiring building automation. They share their templates the ones they're building. It was great learning journey. When you got stuck, you ask for help and people they like, "Oh, you know, maybe try this, try that. " Sometimes it's like trial and error. It's not like you did something wrong. Sometimes could be something really tiny. Development is a lot like that as well. You get some errors, you figure it out, but that's progress. You found Nit, you found the community, you found support in it. Nate Hook, he's such a great guy. I had him on the show recently. He's such a humble human being. even with all his success and whatnot you know a lot of folks like that might have a bit of an ego but he's just a humble individual I would say that underscores so many people in the end community but I'm wondering did you try any other automation tools when you were exploring

yes actually I went to their conferences the one make and zap here because they host like events all the time I'm just like going to the conference evaluate which automation tools I want to invest my time in and then just stood out what made it stand out because Zapier and make honestly in the market they're incumbents We were the baby for a long time. I think we're doing a bit of a global takeover right now, but that's my two cents. But yes, what made you pick Naden versus Zapur make? I'm sure my boss would love to know. Oh, your boss. Will your boss hire me? We are hiring, by the way. Check the careers page. There'll be a link. But yeah, no, I mean I'm curious. We've been working on Naden for a while and they're solid products, right? They got big user bases. What made you choose NN over Zapier and make? Like I say, it's a lot of resources and then also innovation of N. It's always have updates. It's crazy. sometimes two updates a week. Yeah, it's insane. This theme tool, this AI agent tool, there's always something new and then listen to the community, the users. Today you are interviewing me and asking me my experience about an end. You are like care about how I'm using it, what I'm using it for, and then how you can help me to build my business. So that's amazing. I'm getting very warm fuzzy feelings right now. So summer actually let's since we're here and you're a user and you've used it for a month what

advice would you give to someone that just clicked the get started button I would say have a user case in mind what do you want to use this tool for that is so many templates is plug and play a little bit ABI experience and you can automate anything so fast in such short amount of time look for the template you can use and modify it and change it up and Great things. Yes. Thank you for sharing that, Summer. And I'm curious of all these automations that you've built, you said like over 60. What's the one you're most proud of?

Actually, it's follow Nate's template, but it was so complicated. It was a faceless videos. So, it has this image generation, this audio generation from 11 Lab. There's a combination. You have to stitch them up and you have to publish it to YouTube shorts. There's multiple moving parts. If you one step broke, you cannot complete the task. You cannot publish to the YouTube channel. So that was really fun. I spent like two days just obsessed. And after that hackathon, I joined another hackathon hosted by Lavable. I got much better. This time I didn't need a team. I wish I didn't win a work. I didn't win any prize but I can do a lot of no coding tools as a designer to have a working prototype. Do you have any automations that you use sort of daytoday for

yourself for those things that happening in your life or in your business life like ones that you rely on? I use notion automation just in text form for the client. Sometimes people reach out and schedule call but it could be a waste of time because they don't have the budget they just want free work. You want to filter out all the requests. So the trigger doesn't have a human in the loop. I connect notion with an with this workflow. I can appuse the message before sending out to the client. So it's not a automation. I send it out to the client for just uh schedule call with me right away. I need to stop doing that because it takes a lot of time context switching and that's one thing. But there's so many opportunities for connecting like notion with an end 11s with an end. We're not paying Summer. She's here from her own valition and saying all this on her own mind. But I would like to get paid if you want to pay me. I take cash or you know you know what's funny? All of our NN community members are hustlers. Every time I crack that joke they're like but you can like I'm

down like I will take cash. Thank you for all the templates you share in the NN community. It was really fun to play around with them. And then the way you showing the step by step is like really easy to follow. I think people should give it a try and then just check out some of your videos. Pretty straightforward. Thank you kindly. Can you give us a few bubbles for the shot? Oh yeah. Look at that gang. We've got it all here in sunny San Francisco. Cheers. Thank you. This is a question I would always ask in user interviews. If you had one magic wish to change anything in NN small effort, big effort, doesn't matter the t-shirt size, what would you change if you had one magic wish? if I can just talk to an end and tell them like, oh, okay, this is what I'm trying to build. Can you find a template for me to use to start with? So, I'm not like building from scratch. So, that will be my wish. The good news is, and I saw the alpha of it at the an Amsterdam event we had a couple weeks ago or last week, I don't know. It's a bit of a blurry road trip. It was an alpha of text to workflow. So, you can type out your workflow and it generates it. Now, it was for a simple workflow. Is it out? I don't think it's out yet. Okay. But if there's an alpha, I'll see if we can get you. You want a little sneak peek? Yes. See, gang, when Max comes into town and asks for an interview, you get beta access to neat features. So, say yes. Say yes. Thank you so much for your time. Welcome to the internet community. I'm really excited for your journey. If you've built 60 templates and workflows in a month, I can't imagine where you're going to be this time next year. And if you're in the Bay Area, Summer, how can people get in touch with you if they're in the area? They're also flowing. They'd like to connect. Where are you active online? People can get in touch with me on LinkedIn. I'm very active on LinkedIn. Also, I have a newsletter called Postit helping creators to make money online. So, follow more. I really appreciate it. I hope you have a wonderful rest of this beautiful Sunday. And I can't wait to follow on your journey. Happy programming everyone. Ciao.