Enterprise Architect Q&A: Answering Your Enterprise Architect Career Questions

All right. Welcome everybody, to our Enterprise Architect webinar at Google Cloud Careers. My name is Chris Johnson. I am the chief operating officer. I'm joined by Alonzo Coleman, chief marketing officer, and Michael Gibbs, our founder and CEO. Welcome everyone. We've also got Tyrone in the background there to, help us moderate today. So you'll see him and the chat box there and in the background. It is time to get started. So, as I said, we are here for the Enterprise Architect webinar. So, I'm going to let me get started and head into his presentation here in a few minutes. But I just want to kind of set us share a few things with all of you. So I want to encourage all of you. If you've got questions, let us know in the chat box. Put them If you've got questions about the career, role, if you've got questions about development, training, your background, so on and so forth. Any questions at all as it relates to architecture careers? Let us know. Share them in the chat box. Mike is going to be presenting, for the first half, on the enterprise architect role, the enterprise architect program, and, how we develop enterprise architects. But for the second half, we're going to be taking questions from. And so if you've got a question that pops in your head five minutes from now, put it in the chat box. That way you don't forget. Or if you get disconnected or you have to leave, we've got a question so that we can still answer it. When we get to the Q&A session, because we want to answer every question that you have, we're also going to ask you to come off mute when we get to the Q&A portion. If you're able to come off mute. Great. If you're not okay, we'll still answer your question. Just coming off mute allows us the opportunity to interact with you, engage more, get some more information. Hopefully be able to provide better, better guidance and input and clarity for you. So again, don't hesitate with your questions. Put them in the chat box as soon as you got them. Don't hold on to them. If we don't have any questions, I'm going to put Mike and Alonzo and Tyrone to work on other stuff. So, if you want to save them from some work with some questions in the chat box, so that, that I've got, we're going to, we are recording. So we'll be sending out the recording of this to all of you. Afterwards. And once it's process. Now, one last thing that I want to share, is that we are offering you guys early access to our 60% off anniversary discount. It has been five years since we launched our first career development program. And has been a great past five years. Sometimes slow, mostly fast. Five years. Since that first career development program, we now have our Cloud Architect career development program, our security architect development program, our enterprise AI architect development program, our tech leadership program, our tech Interview mastery program, our branding training, and so on. So we've grown so much, over the past five years, and we we've helped so many people who want to be able to help you as well. Towards your goals. So with that in mind, we've got our 60% off anniversary discount for you. You guys have early access to that now. So don't hesitate. You can also click that link. It actually takes you to the program pages so you can click through all the programs. It's not just a purchase page. It's a you can see what all the programs are, what's included. So if that gives you any questions or any insights, If it encourages you to enroll, great. We'll see you in class. And, two hours and 52 minutes if you're able to make that class. If you're not. And we'll see you tomorrow in class at, 1 p. m. eastern time. And if you're not able to make that one, then we'll see you in class on Monday or Tuesday or Wednesday, depending on which program you enroll in. So that's all I've got. Thank you for share that there in the chat box. Tyron and Alonso. I'm going to see if Alonso's got any, any words that he'd like to share before we hand it over to Mike. Yeah, absolutely. Chris thanks so much. We are excited as always. I really love helping people reach their goals. As cloud architects and be able to understand how your brand, your presence, whether you're in the room or not, is effective and foundational to you being successful as an architect. So my Chris and I, we're always and engaged, along with, Leo as well as Tyrone, to help you realize those goals. So please strap in. Get that pen and paper. Learn and get a great experience from us.

All right, so let's, see, we already got a couple of questions in the chat box. We're going to hold those until we get through, through with the presentation. And I already look forward to answering. So I'm going to hand it over to Mike now so that Mike can begin. All right. Well, let's get straight into these questions. So the pull up, our first question here, let's say is manager still here. Let's see if manager wants to come up mute and ask that question. Yeah. Hi. Hi, Mike. Hello. So much for, providing such details and insights. You know. My question, I think you have already answered some of it, to the presentation as well as to your, you know, details. Recently, you know, I was offered to join as an enterprise architect in a new organization. And previously, I have been performing similar job at a smaller scale, like for a portfolio rather than, you know, the in the entire enterprise. So, you know, I wanted to know the nuances around that. You know what? I need to work on my name and what specific areas which can help me, you know, be successful in that new role. Okay. So. I'm going to give I can't tell you what you need without knowing where you are. So I'm going to give you 2 or 3 basic questions and see how you respond to them. One will be business, one will be architecture. The first is business. Could you explain to me a. Yeah. I have, like, not work in that domain. Evita is basically about, you know what, you know, revenue versus profit. And, you know, what are the specific calculations around how you define your, actually revenue. So, yeah, I have been only in this, solution architecture until now, so I haven't dived into those areas. Okay. So. Let's pick, something in general. Could you tell me the weaknesses in cloud computing that mandate zero trust as a security model? Because now you're in the big you're going to be in a big world. See that question again? See that? Can you tell me the inherent security weaknesses in cloud computing, which mandates zero trust versus a traditional defense in depth? So I think, we are talking about a zero trust architecture where, the traffic, how traffic transfers or data transfers between our on premise environments to cloud environments. How does that actually, I didn't ask that. I said, what is the weakness in cloud secure cloud computing in general that mandates a different security paradigm like zero trust, because you have to understand it. If you're going to secure. Yeah. The key thing is, you know, data residency, how we how our data is secured, if it is secured, you know, stored in public cloud then. And how, you know, what is the access level and who can access who can administrator administer that data? And now, you know, how is that encrypted? How the data translate between the two point locations, you know, to peer connections. Okay. So here's what I think. I think you need to either get an MBA or take a course like ours, because you're not going to be able to do any enterprise architecture without understanding those notes out, understanding how they make money, understanding business is structured, how an organization when finance, you just won't be able to do the job. The second thing is you need to learn infrastructure. Which means network data centers cloud because at least half of the stuff is off the public cloud and everything is multi-cloud. So you need that. They definitely need you to learn security. I need you to understand, for example, the attack vectors of a cloud. What happens if some if somebody is subpoenaed and they have to take servers out of the cloud? The fact that your stuff and someone else's stuff is on the same server. So you're independent, encrypted in storage, and it's encrypted in motion. It might not be encrypted when it's in DRM. I need you to be able to really understand that and know how to solve it. So I would say our program would be good for you. If not, I would recommend getting an MBA and then and getting some good cloud knowledge, some good security knowledge, some good infrastructure knowledge, because that's where I see the missing gaps. You probably have a lot of experience on some solution based tech things. That's what I'm getting when you me center. But now you're going from one workload to entire enterprise and potentially 50,000 people. And the way they do their job and how they do their job. So that's the missing gap is knowing how to do it.

Sure. Thank you Michael. That really helps to get the feedback. All right. So, next I'm going to, ask my, to, bring their question to us. I'm not sure if we'll be able to answer it in this setting, but we'll see. And if they're not able to come up to me and I can read it. So you're unmuted on zoom. But we do not hear you. I'm not sure if you have the correct microphone selected. Hello? Can you hear me? Yes, yes. Okay, okay. So sorry for the differences. So, basically, I am working as, security architect and, utility based organization. My CSO was asked to, review, the security architecture for the entire, organization. And, you know, the main goal was given that, the, security, which is, creative scopes where he has to prepare the roadmap. But I was preparing a effective roadmap, but still, he hasn't approved because, he says that at the security level, thinking you do not, have even though I try to produce the result and, so design, solution and, work with the team to implement. So, he's looking for some level of maturity, which I still do not understand. Mostly, from the feedback, what I understood, it is taking to the compliance level and stop preparing the, security architect, roadmap. It shows, like, more of, compliance, oriented output. I just wanted to get some information from you from the session. What? I understood we need to focus on that business requirement. Yeah. The maturity is what we tend to know. Just. Can you address to me, Chris, did you understand what that question was? I'm trying. I think he's asking, what gaps does he have? That his, that the boss is looking for. I think is that if I were to sum it up in a few words, is that what we're what you're asking? Where are your gaps? Is. Right. Okay. So first gap will be executive communication. Because it was too hard for me to understand what you're saying. And it's not that you said anything wrong. Not at all. It's just that executives get hundreds of emails per hour and hundreds of calls per hour. And literally speaking, if you can't get it out in the first 10s or less, they just won't understand. So a big component of that is going to be executive communication skills and presence. For example, I need you to speak slower. make pauses. I need you to vary your vocal tone much more. So that's going to be a key component. Now in the chat box, I see you've been asked to design, Some governance. So what do you know about governance and setting up organizational governance and organizational regulations? For example? Okay. So I came from a technical background as a cloud, engineer and network engineer. So I have, played a leader implementer role that I used to represent, SoC two related audits, even though I'm not much familiar on the, GRC area, I know how to handle, conduct. And it. Okay, okay. So my knowledge. Yeah, you're you're not going to be doing an audit. You're going to have to create a governance structure. determine who does what. How does what those security things are. So there's going to be that. And I can tell you what. And then I'll give you the real gaps that I've identified along the way. So since you said security, could you talk to me about the strengths and weaknesses of context of where I am versus role based access control? Trade off, what have you?

Okay. So basically, I wanted to know, what is the difference between IAM access control and the role based access control? Right. No context aware and role based. What are the strengths and weaknesses of each approach and where would you use them? Okay, maybe I'll give some information about, role based. So the role based, access control, RV is nothing, but, we are, giving the, record, permission, for the person, in order to perform his duties. Okay, so instead of assigning the elevated, permission, which, privilege escalation, I would like to understand, what level of, privileges need. Accordingly, I will assign, for that particular question and the similar way for organization who is required to moderate, to, to I will, define and have a control the access mechanism, about the contextual one. Maybe you can help me. Okay. So here's the thing. You got a couple of gaps. One is you're not really able to tie a business problem to a technology solution. And the other is, you know, a lot about security engineering, but you need to learn security architecture, because I need you to immediately be able to see role based access control, for example, is hiring someone based upon a job function and limiting their abilities to that which is great in the static environment. It's great if we don't need high security. By comparison or not, a context aware is able to look at you determining if you're coming in at the right time, from the right device. Determining if your device could be compromised before letting you in. Determining if you're trying to access things that you don't and make a decision in there. So therefore, in a high security environment, in a zero trust environment, we can't really use role based access control. We're going to need something more. So that's going to be the key. Honestly, I would I'd recommend getting some serious security architect training quickly. If you actually have that role. Because and I would focus on it very aggressively. So you'll be successful in that job because I think you need a lot. You have a lot to learn and I'm sure you'll learn it sound like you're smart. You sound like you've done a lot of engineering. Okay, okay. Thanks for the input. Maybe the SSP certification will help because I cert it won't. So here's the key. Here's what a certification is. Question answer question answer. It will not teach you which one to choose. When do choose it how to fit it together. It's just going to teach you the whole bunch of disconnected stuff. That's the missing piece. How do you design it? Not how can I memorize an answer to these kinds of questions? Different job. You're going to need security architecture training and you're not going to get it in the CISSP. And I'm so definitive about that. And the reason why I retrain people from everybody's bootcamp and they all come to me with certifications is this you have to learn the job first. This is just credentialing. The whole point of an interview is the certification is just to get an interview once you do any of it. The best example is Togo. Telegraph is a set of steps. Step one. Do this step two do this. Step three do this. It's great. I'll give you another set of steps and tell me how many people can do it. First step remove the softeners vein from the leg stuff can step. Open the chest. Third strap. Cross clamp the aorta. I'm giving you steps for open heart surgery. Can anybody do that? That's the same as telegraph. So please. Skills first train first last thing to do is certifications. And even though I might finish talking about Togo efforts to sign various ratification, CISSP and everything. Yeah, but all of them, none of them will actually teach you architecture. Not the CISSP, not Togus, none of them. Yeah. So today I got a chance to view your autograph YouTube videos. It was my use when? Good. Yeah. Glad to hear that. I can and I be able to clear up the interview. Answer that was come, in the program process in India with the help of your video, we understanding some questions. Thanks. Thanks for always. Absolutely. Thank you. All right. So next question is going to be, from Sam. Sam is no longer here, but it's a very good question. Sam asked, is the syllabus the same for both live and non-life training programs? So, I gave a brief answer in the chat box. But I wanted to go into a little bit more detail here. So we've got an online version of our Cloud Architect career development program. And only that program right now. So simply put, as far as the on demand content goes, it is the same content.

However, it does not include the live classes. instruction, it does not include the participation group projects. in, architectural whiteboarding and, thought processes and decision making exercises and coaching opportunities in real time. So while it's the same on demand curriculum, it is not the same program. Because a non live non-interactive, non participatory curriculum can not be the same as a live interactive participatory program. So we made the non live curriculum available. Truly for those that truly can't afford the payment options that we have available on the, on our live cloud architecture development program. So a little bit more into what we, what we expect when it comes from the live classes and the live participation. We build the live classes in live participation with the expectation that people won't be able to attend every live class. So if you think you might be able to attend one class A week or 30 minutes of this class, an hour of that class, and catch up on the recordings and engage with us on slack and ask questions when you're able to. Then I would highly encourage anyone that to considering between those two to choose the live version. Because we don't expect people to be able to attend every class all the time. The entire class. Right. We know that over 80% of our students are working full time. We have students in every single time zone in the world. So just those two factors alone means that we do our live classes in a way where it's not the end of the world. If you miss a live class. So I just wanted to take a few minutes to talk about that, Mike, that you want to talk about the differences between the live and the non life? Yeah, I think the biggest difference is the coaching. I mean the ability to give a presentation. Have Chris be able to look at it from a business executive perspective. And even though I'm an executive I usually have Chris look at it as an executive perspective. So I can look at it as a tech perspective, because you can't focus on everything at one time to be able to get feedback in it, to be able to practice, interview with us, to coach you on how you answer, to be able to really work with those things, I think is just incredibly valuable. And I'm going to piggyback, on this question with the one that literally just came into the chat box. Normally I don't go out of order, but I think this is a good one to follow up. And follow up this discussion. Yeah. So I'll let Mike start off, so AJ asks, what does when does the next stage of cloud to start for the cloud architecture? And I'm going to ask my answer this for every program now okay. So architect program we never have a start date. And here's the reason. Cloud architect enterprise architect security architect most earn on average a little bit around $1,000 a day, maybe a little less for some job and a little more for other jobs. So if I had someone wait three months to start, that could effectively the loss of, say, $60,000. So that made no sense. The second thing for me is I hate boot camps. When I was younger, I spent a fortune on boot camps. You know, when I, And guess what? They didn't teach me anything of value. And the reason was they were strict. They were time based. You started with a group of people that knew nothing. You exited nothing, but you had a certification. And you know what happened? You weren't hired. You were waiting to get a job, and you were losing what little information they taught you. By not having a start date and by not having an end date, all programs that go cloud careers are until you're hired. I'm going to say it again. Every program for us is until you're hired. So what happens is you'll join. And when you join, you will have your own portal. With all this stuff to do with your own time so that you'll get everything. But the live classes, too, are going to be architecture based, where we're going to do project after project, so they'll be new to you. One will be on a Friday. It's a leadership and I think it'll be a security, but we're going to repeat these things periodically. So no matter when you join, you get access to everything. And I do this because this way I know you're going to get hired as long as you don't quit on yourself. I know that some people have to work and I'll give you the two extremes. Delroy, that came to me. He was with me for three months, and he had a really good security

engineer opportunity. So should I take it? I'm like, it's a big opportunity. Go take it. And then he finished our program a year later and he was hired same time. Yvonne came to me. He was a waiter, but he was hired by AWS. And nine months Richard came to me and was hired as a technical account manager by AWS. And three months Jeffrey came to me and was, some kind of geospatial imaging thing. It was kind of cool, but not a tech job. And he was hired by Kathleen in less than six months. The exact opposite come all, and I'll tell you about Carmel, because he and I have a lot of respect for each other. He had a 60 hour a week radiology job at a hospital. He had multiple children. Carmel said to me four years ago, and I'm not joking. It was four years ago. He said, I want to take your program, but I only have a couple of hours a week to work. And I said to take our program. And he said, but is it going to expire in 16 weeks or 30 weeks? I said, no, come on, stay on the program until you're hired. Now, he only had a couple of hours here or there, but he's working at American Express and he's thrilled with his job and he's having a great time. He didn't apply for it either. He used our branding things, but I have some people like that, so I've got some people that can get done very quickly, some people that need more time. And that's why we never have an official start date or an end date as long as I'm alive and teaching this course, you'll be in the course. Yeah. Just to piggyback on what Mike said, there's three primary components that will lead to the success of anyone in the program. And that's, not giving up on yourself. Doing the on demand components and the order that they are intended to not attending live classes, as you are able to do. So I guess there's four and the fourth one, and the most important one is following the plan, having a plan and following the plan and the plan as part of the program. So you have to develop your plan with our feedback and our input, and you have to follow the plan and evaluate the plan and update the plan and continue improving on the plan. So, like Mike said, it is until you are hired. And that's how we roll. So let's, Let's see here. So. Manu, so you didn't ask your second question that you had asked earlier, when we brought you up. So did you want to ask your question about the, migrating data center to the cloud, etc., with frameworks? Chris, I would probably focus on the latest question, which I just put in. Okay. You could provide any kind of, you know, one on one session where, you know, you can judge the strengths because, you know, I'm at a certain stage of my career where I can go into, you know, either parts, you know, either lot. Alonzo, share your stuff about the one on one consults. The covered. Yeah. Alonzo is going to share. Alonzo has got something that he puts in the chat box about scheduling a call with us. So they. I think that will be the thing that you're looking for. Now. And so is it. Already answered in the chat? I didn't notice that. He just put it in the chat box. Right now, there's a link to schedule a calendly call. Got it. Thank you. Yep. All right. I see, so a question from Angel, earlier. So I guess this is a little biographical for you, Mike. They're no longer here, so that's why I'm reading it off. Can you share which BPI the due path? Is there any topics which were the hardest, in the lab and which core exam did you pat before the lab? Okay, so here you can see my CCI, my number 7417 from 2001. And it was in routing and switching at the time. They didn't have a core exam that you would do now I did do the CCNa, which didn't help. I did the CCnp, CDA and CDP, which didn't help. And I'll tell you what did help you. Once I finished those certifications, I decided to read every single RFC that was out there that was published on the IETF web page. I then read all the relevant I triple E specifications, and then I read every book written by Bassam Halabi, Jeff Doyle Stevens, things with TCP IP, Beau Williamson for IP multicast. And then I did a few hundred hours of labs by running a rack from CCie bootcamp for $400 a week, and that's how expensive it was at the time.

And in those days, I remember what it was like. There were 12 people and I took the exam. It was a two day exam at the time. On the first day, all 12 of us there look nervous as can be. We all went back in the second day, and I remember they dismissed nine of the 11 people that were there, and it was down to me and one person. And what we did in the morning, we would, we configure our routers based upon the problem and challenge. And then they sent us to lunch when I came back from lunch. So apparently the other person didn't have enough points. So he was escorted home. And what they did over lunch is they would break your or your network. They would break the cables, change your configurations of the router, and you had to fix it within a period of time. So that's what I did. And that's how I got my CCI number 25 years ago. Right. Let's see, we. Our next is from Terence. Let's see if Terence wants to come up. You. Hello? Hello. Can you guys hear me? Yes. Excellent, excellent. Firstly, thanks, guys, for the session. Really appreciate it. Really informative. So just to kind of give high level my background. Been in project manager more so program management for the past ten, 12 years, PMP certified. I am a solutions architect associate at the AWS level. Currently and a bit of background, I'm doing a lot of application projects, a lot of business projects as well. But looking to transition, at some point into either an enterprise architecture role or a, solutions architecture role. Now, I do know I have some technical gaps for sure. But on the business side, I've, I've done a lot of business projects, so I think I should be covered there, just given the role that I'm in. But just looking for any guidance or any, yeah. So, expertise that you want to provide, I can give you a lots of guidance. So, I mean, if I so first, 50% of all working enterprise architects don't come with a tech background, 50%. The enterprise architect is the senior role. The solutions architect is a very junior level role. So two things. One is you'll probably earn more as an enterprise architect. It'll be easier for you to get an enterprise architect job than a solutions architect job. With your background. Okay. And the solutions architect is considered the lowest of the low in the architect job. So you have a choice of starting out where. So let me kind of show you the two different places where this fits in. And then I'll show you what I would do where I've taken lots of experience, program managers, lots of them, and made them architects. And I'll show you where they were. Good. needed a little more. So if you were to look at it at the architecture hierarchy of an organization, at the top, you'll see the CIO chief information officer there appear almost, but not really to the CFO. This the CEO or what have you. And then typically speaking, you have a chief architect. This is like a $500,000 to million dollar position. This is an enterprise architect role. You typically have a VP or a senior vice president of IT that's responsible for the operations of it. You typically have a chief technology officer, which is another enterprise architect role, and then you have a chief information security officer. Sometimes it's a peer with the CIO, but usually not. It should be. And then typically speaking, you have the enterprise architect role that's responsible for the people, the processes and technology. Underneath that we have our platform architects like security architects, cloud architects, eye architects. And then ultimately what happens where a cloud architect, for example, responsible for designing a multi-cloud solution. We bring in people from AWS, Azure and Google and other solutions architects to try to tell us what which one of the other things they want us to buy. So this is the least trusted person in architecture because they're typically pre-sales. They're also typically the least trusted because they have the least business acumen. So if you want to come here, you can start here or you can start here. I'd rather start, you know, I can tell you I had a solutions architect job. I was a principal solutions architect, and it took me a plus executive presence, executive leadership training, additional sales training, executive coaches. I mean, to go from here to here, I would rather see you just trained to go to here. Now, here's where you're going to be good, because I worked with a tremendous number of program managers. You're going to be very good on CXO relevance. In my experience, you're typically going to be excellent at stakeholder management. From your background already, you typically have the emotional intelligence executive writing. You're going to need more sales and more executive sales skills. You're probably fine on the vendor management side. You typically find it eliciting information where you have influence, typically speaking in those roles, but you're typically going to need more.

You typically going to need a lot more executive presence and executive communication skills. Your presentation skills are probably fine. You probably need a little process optimization. Business acumen. I'm not sure you may be halfway there or you may be completely there. Usually speaking, it takes a little extra business for my program managers, but not that much. Now, what you'll need here is understanding of these things. Now these things aren't going to be covered in an AWS Solutions Architect professional. They're just not. That's going to teach you how to configure it. And I'll tell you the difference in the solutions architect professional. They tell you they teach you how to configure an EC2 instance. Right. Or but they don't tell you what how you would look at a workload. For example, if it's a single threaded workload, you might need a CPU that needs a high frequency because they can't use more than one core. Likewise, it might be a multi-threaded workload that needs multiple cores. It won't teach you how to size the Dram. Dram performance impacts your virtual machine. It won't teach you for example, that it even is a virtual machine. It won't teach you how to optimize, how to size, how to tune, won't teach you the impact of networking or storage on the virtual machine. So it'll tell you the name of something and how to configure it. Your job as an architect is to determine whether you need that virtual machine in the first place. Should I use a container instead? Should I use application virtualization? Should I use function as a service? What do I gain and what do I lose? And incidentally, that's all the stuff that's actually missing from the AWS certifications I want to stay with you. Agree. So it'll be easier. I could easily train you to be a cloud architect and you could take a Cloud Solutions architect job. It's not that hard to do, but you'll have to learn less tech for the enterprise architect role, and you probably already have about 60% of the skills, so it'll be an easier path for you. But you know, I'm a guy that went from internal medicine to network architecture because I thought it was cool. Was clear. That came to me as a nurse practitioner. She's now on a director of architecture position. So it really doesn't matter, what you choose to do. But I would say if you can start in a bigger role that generally has a higher pay and your skills are more aligned to that, it would take you there easier unless you have some interest on focusing on the workload versus everything. No more. So a, everything strategy is kind of the goal that I would like to get through. I mean, I do have my MBA, so I do have that business. Oh, good. Okay. So, you know, now I'm just looking to, you know, really be able to transition, you know, work on strategy and have that influence to ensure that, you know, I can have the business make good decisions and add value. It would be much, much better off in, an enterprise architect role than okay. Probably have more fun to much more. All right. Any other questions? No, no, I'm going to look to see if I can get my company to pay for you guys training. I'm going to do. But, All right. I'll do my best. I appreciate it. All right, let's see what our next one. So our next one is from Korea. Let's see if video wants to come up here. If not, I can read their question off. Right. So bear with me, Mike. This one's a little long. So good. Read it off. Personally, thanks for your insights. I'm a senior executive in cyber security. I am a, currently managing leading DBA, projects more into manage services and operations and core part of customer solutions and delivery team. My role has gradually shifted toward a technical management capacity, but I'm looking to strengthen my technical depth, particularly on the architecture side. Do we need any coding developer background for this? Could you suggest a roadmap to guide my growth going forward? So you will need to learn architecture. And that's going to be something different. There's no coding an architect job. There's no Linux in an architect job, there's no Terraform and an architect job. Your job is to communicate with stakeholders, understand their needs, figure out the optimal way for people to do their jobs, alter business processes, optimize the business architecture, be able to determine, what kind of data architecture application architecture will work.

But no, there's no coding. And the reality is, even if you knew how to code and so many people come to me as software developers, they really won't have any insight into architecture, because knowing how to code is basically knowing how to speak in another language. Jasim Rahim oh my god. So I spoke Greek today. Hi, I'm Mike, but that's coding. Now what happens is when you know, people know how to code, they but they don't typically know application architecture. They can typically advise an organization of when they should use a microservice versus a monolithic architecture. They typically don't have the idea of which API do I use based upon which need, and what are the trade offs in between? They know how to code, so we always have to separate doing from land. Doing is how do I write this code? How do I hang this picture on the wall? Planning is if I'm going to design a city, where do I put the roads? water? Where do I put my railroad station? Now, when it comes to planning or designing the people that design the Burj Al Arab or never, the people that build it, the people that design the Golden Gate Bridge aren't going to be on the bridge with a hammer and nail and whatever they use to build it, it's a different set of skill, so you'll have to learn the design skills, the building skills will not be helpful in any way. The other thing we probably would I would recommend is we're going to have to work on the executive communication piece. And the reason I say this is executives don't use, acronyms. For example, I, I don't even I don't actually know what you're referring to. I might not know what you mean by value either. And when it comes to architecture, you're going to be dealing with executives. There are. So my gut says a little more executive presence, communication, and a whole lot more architecture will be what you need. And if you want to come up with it, I'm happy to assess that. But definitely, and you don't need to learn how to code. You need to know how to design these systems. So. Oh, interesting. Gotcha. Business as usual. And I don't think I've heard. If I take a look at what I've just sent to, Let's say for our next question. I see here we've got mo. Let's see if Mo wants to come up here. And now I can read their question off. I can answer it then. All right. So the question is, how would this training help someone that is currently unemployed? So first we need to assess why you're unemployed. Most people that are unemployed often don't have the exact set of skills that are necessary to fit in into the role that they actually are. There maybe they did at one point, but they typically don't know. So we have to figure out if that's the reason. If there's a skill gap between what the market is desiring and what you have, we could easily get you there. So sometimes it's that, but not always, but sometimes it's that another thing that keeps people from getting hired. And it happens all the time because they don't know how to market themselves. position brand themselves. I can have someone that is so good, but they don't know how to position themselves, so they're not getting interviews. And obviously we would help you with that. Another component that typically comes into play when we're actually dealing with someone that's actually unemployed is they usually don't interview well, often because they've interviewed several times and it didn't go well. They interviewed for the wrong jobs. They don't have the right set of interview skills to be able to sell themselves, and polishing up. So in those three places, we can typically hope, no, I can't say that it's a quick fix because I don't know, to assess you. You could have great skills and you really might, but I don't know that because I haven't assessed you. You could have a set of skills that are great, but the market shifted and you just need to be tuned in. You need to pick up some new set of skills, which often happens to with great people. Again, that could be there, but I don't know without speaking to you. But generally speaking, in this market there are jobs, plenty of them for people that are great, the problem is coming, which is hurting a lot of people, is a lot of people have taken their career and what I call the wide

direction versus the deep direction. And let me explain to you what I mean. The person that got 13 certifications is, generally speaking, the person that terrifies me the most to hire and then terrifies most hiring managers. I'll tell you why, because instead of mastering one thing, they split their focus among 7 or 8 different careers. And because they only got certifications from one vendor, they developed bias. And that bias makes them dangerous because they always want to go where the bias is as opposed to evaluating the customer. So if I were to give you the difference, I could have someone that does a solutions architect associate, a developer associate in a AI associate. Then they got a basic Linux certification and then an A plus. Net plus and then a security plus certification. A bunch of basic things. Their knowledge is basic by comparison. I have that same person and they're interested in security. So the first thing they do is security. Then they do a SES ISP, CISO, and then they do the KSP. Then they hone. So their security presentation skills, they hone their security leadership risk management skills. That person goes on an interview, they get lots of interviews because their portfolio, but they also train themselves to be deep. So now when they go on that interview, they're ten times better than I and they're great. So I'd be more than happy to assess you and see where you're at. But without assessing you, I can tell you those are typically the reasons people have trouble with. And we can help you with all of those. But I can't say they'll be overnight because I don't know how you interview right now. I don't know what your job is that you're good at and not what you set of skills you have, which might need. But if you want to come off mute, I'm happy to assess that. Right now or currently, don't have any more questions. So I want to take a moment to remind everybody that we do have our 60%, anniversary discount going on. Tyrone, just put that there in the chat box for all of you. That's on all of our programs, all of our payment plans, options, one time payment, three month payments. It's one payment, whatever it might be. Keep in mind, this is not like a subscription thing. So it's not like, if you choose a payment plan, it's three monthly payments and that's it are six it. It's not a subscription in perpetuity. Like some other platforms. Also, keep in mind that we are, we're not a boot camp. We we you you're with us until you're hired. And so that that's another it's another, unique concept, in this day and age. So I think we've got one more question that came in. Oh, and ask your, I did get this question earlier. I think actually men who had a had another question. I don't know. Oh, no, we did answer that answer. Okay. So he asked, is I Archetype Pro also the lowest level or architect ladder or is it the place? Actually, Mike, I think this is a great way to wrap up the webinar. I know you got, you got a bit that you like to do about this. Yeah. So let's talk about platform architects, versus and the roles that we have. So let me go back to that first slide I tried to show you. And then I'll show you where people fit in. We have three kinds of architecture careers. The enterprise architect, which is a senior executive position that's responsible for the business and the technology. We have a platform architect role like an AI architect. As a platform architect, a cloud architect is security architect is. Now that AI architect is at this level, and, this level is more focused on technology than this level, this level is focused more on business. But this is a strong architect. So this person is responsible for the entire AI strategy for an organization. Now, we could have an AI solutions architect that's focused on one project. But the AI architect itself is a platform architect role. So this is a senior role with lots of upward mobility. And the reason is here you're focused on everything that helps the enterprise. that one little component. So no that platform architect job is not an internal. It's I mean you can get it as your first job, but it's can senior a senior role. And that's why you look at it over here. You'll see that AI architect, the network architect, the multi-cloud architect, the security architect, they're all peers. Now you if you're an AI architect, Nvidia will send you solutions architect for AI.

They also try to send you their AI solutions architects as well. And other people will. But you know, prepare for these roles. You can always get these roles. These are much easier to go. But, if you prepare for these roles, you're already a step above. So here we're more this is a 7030 rule, 70% business, 30% tech. This is a 80 to 90% business, 10 to 20% tech. And down here it's just focused on the workload. So this could be 60% business 40% tech. Great question. And all these wrote up. What's up I was going to say that I thought you were done. So I was going to say I'm not going to say that one role is more important in the role, because we do need people that are focused on specific workloads like solutions architect. We do need people like me that we're focused on the network for the entire global business, and then we need people like me and others, who focus on the entire business and how we make it better. It's all really where do you want to fit? And then making sure you have the skills that actually match that career, and then you can get any job you want for the most. So for those of you that were here, it was so nice to meet you. Feel free to come back to more, ask more questions, book a session with Alonzo, for example. I know some people have and they put it there. For those of you who had signed up, welcome. You know, we have a class today. We're going to have some fun. Feel free to join the class at 4 p. m. today. I mean, there's no rush, but, you know, if you want to join us, I'd love to see you in class if you just joined us. And, obviously, if you stay with us, you stay on the program until you're hired. That's what we do. We get people hired, another one hired just the other day, someone in Dublin. And that's what we're always looking for, those. So that's what I would say. And for those of you that did subscribed, please read that email that says welcome to Go Cloud Careers that you got, because it has all kinds of information and critical details to make sure you're successful. And for those who didn't join, I hope you do. And I hope they see you in class. Otherwise, it was so nice to meet you. Take care everyone. Thanks for joining us in that.