Producer / Mixer, Richie Beretta - Pensado's Place #589

good evening ladies and gentlemen I'm Dave pensado and today's guest is Richie Beretta from New York a very talented young very young I emphasize the word young producer and mixing engineer it's great to have you Richie and you're at the place's Place how was that was good he's not supposed to do that is he I rehearsed that like 12 times before I got here Dave let's go 13 all right hey everybody Welcome uh welcome here we're uh we're about to have some fun thanks for coming by I see lots of faces that I know um the thing that I think we're going to have the most fun with is uh Richard Baron hello I'm Richard Baron yeah so and today I'm going to tell you a nicer recipe for my past the sauce no this it's Richie Beretta and Richie is just a really good new friend of mine I'm happy to have him we're having fun and uh you can tell that the little bastard's got a lot of Queens impacted in the sounds and the things he does and so how can we uh let them see and hear how you would think about Queens how is it how has it tempered I love that we're starting off with Queens man because that is a um growing up in Queens has influenced me in more than one way musically because well ethnically it's the most diverse City on the planet the most languages are spoken in Queens when I grew up um I was exposed very early to music from yes exposed you didn't have clothes no my mom would just throw me in the streets naked poor mother poor me no mothers are what the world works with I guess so well you know you want to call my mom yeah let's call your mom let's call her and find out oh my phone is in the other room youb yeah let's grab her let's call Mom well when we're getting my phone uh growing up in Queens uh I was I want to use the word exposed again Dave I was exposed to a lot of different uh types of music from all different types of cultures especially uh Caribbean music um cuz in the next neighborhood was predominantly Caribbean uh neighborhood and uh I just fell in love with I you know I what's weird about like other cities is that there's a style of music and then you sort of Base your life around one style of music growing up you know you like metal heads or you have like punk rock kids just Liv in hipop and queen listen to everything so and there were a lot of amazing emerging rappers at the time like Nas was from Queens Tribe Called Quest was from Queens like next neighborhood over right uh at the same time was listening to stuff like the Ramones Sindy loppers from Queens love the Ramon same uh and that sort of cacophony of genres was just like that's my musical way of life and I Implement that in the records that I'm making or working on there may be a flavor from some left field genre that the artist or the producer may not be aware of that I think could really complement a record and I'll put it in there you know will it'll be subtle but it'll be in there what do you think um makes a song Timeless do you want the uh the scientific answer or you want the poetic answer yes okay so a Timeless record has to have something well this is what makes a Timeless record it contains something that is deeply human on its foundational level so that where it exists in any point in time it will seem relevant like jingle bells is a Timeless record right and it has to do with The Human Experience how we celebrate Christmas we'll probably always celebrate Christmas or that holiday around that time but hey guess what I'm now the first guest in the history of pensado's place to reference Jingle Bells no no who referenced Jingle Bells before me was it Michael Brower did you reference Jingle Bells before me no I wasn't there all right okay um what do you mean when you say uh to work

backwards when I say I like to work backwards I always Envision or try to Envision a final product in my head um there's a book that um I don't know when I read it was like early it wasn't even about music it was the guy who wrote songs for Elvis and like the first chapter was like start at the end and I immediately kind of understood what that meant was like you have to know what you want before you go and create what you want you have to have that creative itch so when I'm inspired to write or if I'm mixing a record and I'm inspired to get the sound that's in my head yeah out of my head I'm always conscious of what's there so that to me is the final product end so it's me setting a Finish Line for myself you stopped that was the end of the okay what are some of your favorite plugins by baby audio we need to kind of um get him out here sometime yeah shout out to Casper and baby audio um my favorite my personal favorite plugin and uh is VHS super VHS I just love that's the one with like three has like three knobs man and a and a magic button there's some modulation that goes on and it's more than just like a chorus but that to me is a rer Block Breaker like no that you can't do much you can do whatever you want to do but make sure you got those three little D yeah and the saturation on that plugin is great I mean I've used it on I automated it on a on an 808 once where I had the harmonic of the 808 and that got the modulation and as the 808 dissipated a sustain dissipated the modulation go from more from a dry to wet it would widen as the 808 dissipated and we did this thing on YouTube it was uh back during the pandemic and the people lost their minds they were like why is this Bas in Stereo and then the cops arrived at my house because I put uh the harmonic of an 808 in Stereo MH what um uh how is getting back to Queens I'm a little redneck from Florida um how has Queens impacted your sound uh from what it is today well Queens is the home of a ton of amazing musical genres uh it's the most ethnic city in the world and uh I just fell in love with the sounds of like other cultures yeah um and it always seemed important to me uh just from a musical point to include things that I love and that are inspiring to me in anything so regardless of the genre I'm working in if there's something it's I guess it's more about Nostalgia and that is getting back to what makes records Timeless Nostalgia is one of them it's a human experience you were born in Queens born and raised 98th Street what are your thoughts on headphones because I like using headphones I just started using headphones um when I produce just recently I strayed away from them when mixing because I just couldn't get it to work you know I had a student that was just amazing at it um but I couldn't get it to work for me but now I find when I'm producing a record so I'm doing any kind of sound design or any kind of composition I like feeling close actually helps in my mixing later I you usually mix the songs I'm producing uh so it acquaints me to these tones that I'm crafting or any kind of sounds or even the vocalist like their performance so that becomes inundated in my brain and when I'm mixing uh I have a easier time sort of there doesn't really take any time to figure out what I need to pull out of that because I'm so close to it but um there's a company well the monitor company that I use is a monitor brand called XM and say that again company's called XM a they have the Mak is car yes in Italian and Spanish but these are speakers uh they rumor has it that they may be building some headphones if they do I'll probably start because these speakers are they're amazing they're they're amazing but I'm not opposed to mixing in headphones you like to mix in headphones uh yes I do yeah how often do you do it do you go back and forth yeah I've got a

pair of odysys that I just can't say enough about that's awesome it's really cool and uh um I can actually maybe on a good day get down to 32 Cycles when I'm working with them wow for sure 40 right where' Sam go y uh but I can really get him down to 40 it's crazy I never had that happen that was for me when I I'm using headphones I always get tricked by I get tripped up by the bass there cuz like it's I don't know the headphone Bas is is tricky for me but I maybe I haven't I've never used the a disas a dis AUD a audio what's it called AUD aies audio a odyssy odsy Odyssey yeah that's it I never used the ody Dees but uh I know an engineer that also really likes them yeah they're not expensive but maybe 1,500 you know I do you think there's a correlation between the price point of good headphones and like being able to mix on me either I don't think any I don't think anything can be judged by I agree yeah I agree cuz this that's the world we live in you yeah um so let's get back to your training program okay give me a couple oh all right so uh what do you want to know you want give us a little hint about why you do it and how you do it because you look great and uh thank you David uh no thank you you're welcome um uh I you know what it is important for me because you know this better than anybody else we sit down all day in front of speakers and or and a computer and we don't do anything and other than hopefully you know KN our head and tap along with the record and unfortunately that doesn't burn a lot of calories so I also the more you exercise the more sensitive your ears become I really believe this I believe that like if your body's primed everything else along with it gets primed as well and if I don't move around um or at least apply some bit of resistance physically that uh I'm not as sharp as I could be in the studio also I'll probably lose my mind because you know you're sitting there do you uh do you use a private guy or uh just to make my sandwiches no you go to the gym and you know you lift up something and you put it down it's good enough or you go for a walk or uh it doesn't you know I I'm some sometimes I take it to the Limit but like there's a bunch of actually uh there's a a good friend of mine who's a very talented engineer and he works for uh make Belo Studios it's great plug-in company um shout out to them but uh he hit me up recently and was like you know give me a program to to run and it's just like there's nothing there I think the fitness industry is a lot similar IL to the audio industry where there's a lot of snake oil it's just like hey dude just go put lift something put it down you'll be all right and the same thing in Like You Know audio world hey does this sound good you're probably going to be okay you know what I mean it's just say it say this again I lost it if it sounds good you're probably going to be okay put like a ding when I wink you know ding uh what are some techniques that uh that you picked up from our friend Tony Maserati um I don't know if it's a technique but I watched him mix a record and it was a oh man who was it I forget the artist uh Selena Gomez I watched him mix a Selena Gomez record I like her okay now Tony's also a very young man but Selena Gomez I wouldn't presume is in you know his age bracket of the music that he may be listening to but I could be wrong but he's tapping along he's dancing in the chair to this record now when I was watching him do this I'm thinking to myself what's he thinking about like what's he why is he eqing something this way you know like technical [ __ ] uh and ignoring the fact that he's tapping his feet and dancing and then I thought to myself when was the last time I tapped along to a record I was making and I couldn't remember

because all I was thinking about was what kind of knobs am I going to [ __ ] turn you know and that taught me a big [ __ ] lesson that like I'm not thinking of the right thing with those shoes you're not going to be able to turn a knob so don't worry you know what this is these shoes are also part of the fitness regimen you asked about a few minutes ago you know because they're actually 50 lbs so while we're here we're doing like those are 50b shoes they're 5B shoes Dave huh they're only 5 lbs are how can we look up how uh how heavy Martin are they're about as heavy as your base hey what are the um one of the pros and cons of mastering yourself I like TR I like to try it but I don't think I do it good but I do it anyway I don't I stopped mastering my own stuff 10 years ago it's too much to too much to listen to you know man you know like it's just touching it twice why not just mix them mix and get the [ __ ] out of there right that's my motto ding you ding again yeah uh no you're right when when I'm done with a mix it's through it's Master yeah oh you're one of those guys yeah so God bless you Dave I can't do that I always I no I don't actually set it up different anyway I just work work work hey Sam cut this in that's it yeah so I can't I found and this could be a flaw I have an expiration date on what I can be listening to for a long time before I can be smart about it you I mean after I can be smart you understand what I'm saying you know what I mean like if I hear something for a certain amount of time over and over again I don't know if I'm going to be able to make a good decision that's going to benefit fit the song you know I think that less is more so I get what I got to get out and then I I send it to a mastering engineer that I trust in term but you do you leave uh do you leave like room for the mastering person or are you just like no this is day pensado it's [ __ ] done dude it's done I like working with mastering Engineers yeah me too uh particularly Mike bosy oh yeah oh hell yeah dude Mike and I we do good work and uh he doesn't come in as a mastering engineer he just comes into the into the process to see if it's okay yeah I think that's the value of mastering engineer uh whenever I would work with one when I do work with one I'm always asking like you know what is there anything you need me to tweak before you get it gets to you I don't want them to like fix any problems I wanted to just make look make it better if possible or leave it alone do whatever I like to trust in there skills as I would expect a producer or an artist to trust in my skills as you know whatever they're hiring me as um do you have a dog yes what's his name it's a her it's Molly Molly Jones hi baby a girl hi bab yes it's a girl kind of wish I had a dog I don't have a dog I had dogs when I was young how many two dogs I had two dogs at one point too M what kind of dog uh I don't think I can put a name on them cuz they were just dogs that that I I saved oh nice yeah Molly was the rescue too yeah yeah they're good for you Dave yeah thank you thank you thank I'm so wonderful you are um Simplicity it feels like today I think this is pretty important uh to today it seems like and I'm pretty sure it's true that uh Simplicity is the way to go when you're working and uh it seems like right now that's that's what my thoughts are when I sit down I'm not trying to I want to do a little get little stuff as I can name that tune in fewer notes yeah yeah I'm with to I'm the same way um although sometimes I can go down a rabbit hole you know sometimes yeah I feel like we're kind of going down a rabbit hole Now Dave me and you I don't think so okay yeah it could be though I'll get us out of there real quick um describe the first 15 minutes of when you sit down to to mix um mixing a song that I produced or mixing

yeah song that I did okay so I I'm just organization so if it's a song that I did the first 15 minutes is organization of the session you uh you not actually playing any music at that time well I've already listened to it for you know could sometimes months if it's a song that I did if it's a a prod another producer's record I'm just listening to uh you usually their reference on Loop and then once I got the vibe then I want to listen to what it is in tools with the faders up and how they left it and hopefully it's what the reference is and if it's not then I'm taking notes it's not really anything U it's kind of nerdy I just take a lot of notes and give myself a road map for you know where I got to go at the end sometimes um we find our elv people like you and I we find ourselves doing different things like for example production and then then all of a sudden you're uh you're mixing so you go from mixing to production how do you handle that uh I work in two different dos uh depending on the genre okay but I don't like to think about mixing when I'm producing I like to produce really like quickly and be as messy as possible that makes sense I want to not think about technical [ __ ] I want to because when I think about technical stuff or something I got to do in the future I'll for I won't really be in the moment and listen to the record and get the record to tell me what it needs to do you know I need to always absorb whatever in tangibles that come out of the speaker and if I'm thinking about mixing while I'm producing I kind of I'll miss the mark So I try to separate the two I will pay attention to like gain structure just so it makes my life easier when I mix but uh that's it other than looking at a Vu but that's what recordist did back in the day anyway you know when they were hitting tape or looking at a meter that's really the only technical thing I'll do you um do you try and work with uh trans uh transients like I try to control my transients and and by doing that getting uh getting the song to Really jail yeah yes and that usually with the gain structure thing so I'll use I'll take some cues from like what my mixing brain is telling me like pay attention to your low end here so I'll get the drums and the bass and the Rhythm track to do what it was supposed to do and then I'll just shut it off because I need to be affected in order for me to do anything like in in music especially production I think that if the song isn't nailed in the composition phase it's going to be much harder in any other phase like we can't really go backwards and fix it you got to get it to feel right in the beginning and then you can maintain that feeling throughout every you know phase of the production process uhhuh what um what's what do you think the most important skill that a producer or a mixer uh can have to stay relevant not to pay attention to what's currently relevant I think it's important to find your own voice and believe in your own tastes and formulate your own taste understand when you are formulating your taste you know if you're in a growth period or when you're in a practitioner period and be able to differentiate between the two and that's how people want to hear somebody who is uniquely their own as humans we're natural voyers and we love to see people having a good time and I think people have the best time when they know that they're being themselves and the best way to be yourself is to [ __ ] you know live in your own Universe I don't I try not to pay attention to pop culture too much even though I know it's part of the job description but because we're music lovers we'll subconsciously copy because we're just turned on by the [ __ ] that we think is cool so it it's a balance striking a balance between okay let's see what's out in the world but then let's shut that off and you know cultivate our own tastes so are you are you um lifting weights every day or you yes well yeah every day in between so like one hand is like on uh you know a distressor and

then the other hand is like doing curls like this and then I'll switch it's difficult crazy right I know dude help me Sam we got to start doing that actually my Studio's in the gym Dave it's crazy because like I don't actually you know how you have like a nice Orthopedic chair right that's what it's called right pooped or pooped is the [ __ ] mattress uh Orthopedic chair you know like what are they call who makes the expensive chairs man what are they called ergonomic Fletcher mson chairs right so you got those Fletcher mson chairs they sit up they have a mesh I got my purple thrown away in the trash yeah dude I have a mine is just a weight bench so I actually mix laying down and the the screen is like this and then I'm like you know I [ __ ] bench press and then you know that's how I do it that's if you want it you can come over to my studio I'll train you up to you'll be on you'll be in the Olympics in 3 weeks that'll be too much work oh no you got this huh you got this you got it Dave no man I got my little corner in in my sofa I found it in the dump and U Sam can tell you I rarely leave that area right Sam yep mix from the sofa yeah I wish I can mix in bed be honest honestly like if I can just like that's where I would adopt headphones if I can just mix in bed and eat cereal uh and actually have a good mix then I would low I yeah that would be that would be ideal W um where's the weirdest place you let me give hand me one of the cards and I will interview I'll interview you now just give me one of the cards this one's fine okay where's the weirdest place you've ever mixed a record oh my goodness give me a minute okay talk to yourselves tonight on Date Line like what's the weirdest Studio you mixed in you I mean you have to mixed in like some [ __ ] strange place I've been quite a few yeah what's the weird you don't have to tell me the name of the stud but like describe it um I like Studios that uh that know I'm coming and that they they know who I am and they set up something it doesn't have to be anything great or anything but just set up something just like here we're not we're really not set up for for mixing or anything right here but we could be yeah so you know something like this would be uh you know take the lights away get get him in it in on it get Sam in on it and then mix away you still didn't answer what are think you hideing something Dave what's the weirdest Studio you ever mixed in the name of the studio no not we don't want to throw any but like I don't know did you ever mix in like a studio where it was like you walked in and there was like I don't know a horse just hanging out in the lobby like you what the [ __ ] is this horse doing here you know something odd something like something strange um or has it just been like kind of normal you have your own room now right your own Studio your own place you don't have to deal with this type I've always had my own place oh nice um man you got me all right I have another question what was it like growing up in Queens um I had to read a lot of books okay about there you get books that have pictures big books and see back yeah and I'm a little odd because I uh I grew up different I grew up in uh Coconut Grove so Coconut Grove is a place in Miami where everybody's musician everybody an artist everybody's everything and my mom led the whole pack when she was alive so we had a lot of weird old people in in the house really weird musicians uh well I was little I was probably 8 to 10 oh I started going on the road when I was 14 really oh yeah wa couldn't wait cool when uh when my mother told me that she ran away from home in Spain and uh she said she was 16 years old and she just wanted to

get come here and so that that gave me the the that gave me a way to get where I wanted to go cuz I wanted to get out of here you know yeah and so mom's coming here and I'm trying to get to Europe you know oh and uh um I did but I I didn't like it you didn't like the wrote well there was no ice yeah or bathrooms huh or bathrooms I know yeah I know what you mean back then that back then when you when you're in France that you got this little thing but they don't let it take it all the way down to the ground and so you're you're pissing and you're they're seeing your knees and everything and uh I kind of like that I thought well okay so growing up in Miami and your mom being a musician right I think you probably experienced something very similar to me growing up in Queens as you know my parents musicians and you're also surrounded by something that you know is not of the culture of the rest of the United States at the time right and I'm sure it you talk about Groove a lot wait let me read the C okay you talk about Groove a lot Dave I do yeah you do and do you think that growing up in in such a musical environment and such a culturally diverse environment affected your work and your career 100% because my mother was always telling me it's not what it sounds like it's how it grows right too come on Mom he man come on M all right we do this turn okay now you asked me a question Dave this is so cool we're friends okay uh um so let's do a batter's box okay you want to yes I've been waiting 10 years for this okay Echo boy uh no that's not right all right that's not how this works no that's wrong um condoms oh man the smallest ones you could find okay it's not the size of the boat it's the motion of the ocean dat yeah I'm sure about that um so major or minor oh minor 7th H minor 7th I love minor me turn it right Reverb crystallin baby it's good love that like I love it that's a good one that's a good call um what's your favorite key to play in if it's a major it's a and if it's a minor it's B wrong [ __ ] um well thanks a lot everybody it's sh my key is FP F Shar well F sharp is right above a b yeah on the guitar so you know you're my next you're like my upstairs neighbor well Crazy Train turn okay yeah that's fa okay uh Groove I'll answer this question because you don't seem to be liking it i love this question so Groove is something that you can't actually see MH so how do you use it took me a long time to learn how to use it right by Mom my mother and uh what you what you're trying to do is if you've got a piece of music and somebody comes in and starts dancing well that person has fell a Groove somewhere you know what I'm saying and so it can be done but it it's a little tricky to to say that that uh that you you're doing a groove or because um it doesn't really have a meaning yeah if you think about it well how do you feel when you feel like something is grooving like it's in the pocket oh gosh right man where where' Sam go right man when we get a Groove going we go crazy absolutely batshit crazy it's a high it's a great feeling it's yeah it really

is a great feeling and it's hard to sometimes it's easy and sometimes it's hard right Sam sometimes you you finish a song and you go God L this thing is grooving you know and uh by grooving it you still come with the term Gro grooving and then you got what are the rest of the things we do Sam emotion Vibe energy yeah th those are the the the things that help you out but I think that sometimes we don't we don't think about the groove all the time I don't think about but when I think about it I think I get it doing pretty good what do you think Sam yes okay uh harmonies uh sometimes overdone sometimes not done enough and that's my story and I'm sticking to it okay yeah I I think I I love uh Harmony in music I love I love having that that double you know I think sometimes I'll hear a vocal Harmony where I feel like they really meant to do a cordal harmony with the music I don't I I know what you're saying you know what I mean like I sometimes I think that like harmonies when they're spoken of mhm it's the understanding is that it's just a vocal but there's a cordal Harmony you could have a single vocal when if the chord chords Meander around that vocal in a special way yeah that's magic and that's what I I think isn't paid enough attention to um so maybe my answer is vocal Harmony sometimes overdone cordal Harmony not done enough no I think you're 100% right Dave thinks I'm 100% right Sam yeah bye Loops uh [ __ ] them up whoa yeah chop them up why didn't we think of that Sam that's cool um stereo bus I am my stereo bus I got two things I got uh unfair child the by undertone and the curve Bender by um Chandler that's it cool guitars oh man okay uh not done enough anymore maybe uh I love guitars Crazy Train F SHP that was crazy train was Boston right Crazy Train was uh Chicago it was Chicago what do you think about Chicago you know what I'll give you an answer okay uh I was where was I was in Chicago I don't know what I was doing there but I ended up there this was about a year ago May no three years ago okay and um I always thought that Chicago the people in Chicago were like the people in New York you know oh no different yeah different type of but they were nicer you think they're nicer in Chicago really so so uh I as I was just yelling at him too what the [ __ ] yeah you may be right Dave I guess I got I got you think they're [ __ ] nice about the [ __ ] I got my my phone out and I flagged a girl down to let me take me just I said I said here's a $100 bill just go tell me go find all the places go give me go to the bean go to all of those things and they and they treated me pretty nice well you just describing to me is like a jodessy music video you know you ever see that JY music video where who's in JY ciscoes gives somebody a $100 bill and he just take me around the take me around this [ __ ] city [ __ ] you know that's a good song time out but don't don't stop let It Go no stop cuz I'm um take me around that JY song like in fourth grade take me around Chicago you know it's a good one the Dave pensado story I think they wrote the song about you Dave huh no really take me around the Sun lady this lady was so nice she would took me everywhere and she was nice and then she'd stopped places and and the people that that is nice you know what I used to do when I was in cabs in New York it's a good

story though Dave when I uh people would be hailing cabs you know they handing cab and I would stick my hand out the window and give them high fives because you're hailing a cab with somebody else in ha a cab with your left arm well you whistle oh yeah can you whistle like you know do whistle no it still be I don't know where these fingers have been dude I I swear to God I hope this is the intro to this episode me and Dave whistling I used to be able to whistle you know like like back home they do this yeah that's what they do why do you do that you you uh you make a triangle with your fingers uhuh and you well see you can't do it so you gotta like I only do it when I'm hailing a c it's over Dave it's over it's not going to happen anymore that's it I tell you what Dave I should have swallowed practice makes perfect makes perfect that practice makes practice Richie Beretta makes pasta yeah uh back home the Rednecks do the um what's their favorite this yeah that one yeah well if you were stranded on an island um what piece of gear would you want to have with you uh Tube Screamer yeah or um a Lifeboat so I can get off the island hey dude you want to know what's crazy uh you ever see that movie what's that movie with Tom Hanks in the 90s where he's stuck on the island oh yeah huh yeah Cast Away oh yeah you know the I just realized this like three days ago just so you know who you're interviewing uh the the ball that he makes friends with MH his name is like Wilson uhhuh that's the brand of the volleyball that's why I called it Wilson I thought he came up with that [ __ ] name no I did too but no really yeah I see we're the same we're pretty much the same yeah I got a yes so what's on your mix bus what's in your wallet uh I don't use much on the W on my Mi bu I use uh Sam we how do we keep uh the what's plugin we use bado eq2 and Limitless Limitless yeah so I put Limitless where it pretends like it's a a compressor but it's not really a compressor so it helps me to keep the the the the the transients in shape because I can they can get away real fast with me yeah and then um uh I leave my plug in there which I don't always use but I I find uses for it and then uh lowend focus oh it's supposed to be for a uh for a different usage but we use it on ourter you're the king of that Dave you were the king of like repurposing since day one uh thanks yeah I remember when I I'm G tell I'm G to tell the story I think I told you the story before I'm GNA tell it again okay uh the first in the lair that I saw of you uhuh was when well I'll tell two so the first in the L that I saw of you were talking about a vocal and in the beginning when I was still learning vocals were something that intimidated me a lot so I forced myself to work on them uh and but I still you know I didn't realize that I needed to have I didn't know what I wanted from a vocal can I help you yeah every vocal is different you'll never have a right you'll never be able to to to ABS one and do it on the other absolutely I firmly agree we have wait wait let me finish this story okay because it's hilarious well it's hilar yeah it's but it's also it also proves how great you are um so in the video you're revisiting this vocal and you're like all right today we're going to I'm

going to do my worst Dave pensado impression today we're working on a vocal and uh you pulled up this mix and you're like yeah I was listening to it and I was like man you know what this vocal sounds great and I went to speak up speak this vocal sounds great you can hear me on this thing I test one too this vocal sounds great uh I want to see what I got on it and I and you click on it and it's R comp and you know remember waves R comp where you can manually enter your ratio and you like I saw I was like what's this ratio and it was 99 to1 I'm not even kidding 99 to [ __ ] one and I'm sitting there trying to learn I'm just like what the [ __ ] now I didn't understand cuz you know I had limited amount of understanding on all this back then but what you were proving was that you're e you were working from the end you were started at the Finish you had a sound you it didn't matter what you could have put yeah Microsoft I put I woke up one more I was like man this vocal sounds great and I looked I had Microsoft Word on it and all of a sudden I had 12 Grammys you know like that's how good you are Dave I'm not I know it's a joke but it's true a lot of mixers in my generation are indebted to you for being so free with not just your information but showing us how your brain works and how you trust your ear and that's really that's what I've learned from you through the years and I I've told that story the other one was with one uh you were using doubler on guitars and the in theair one was how to get fat guitars and I just so happened to be working on a band then and I was still was like one of my first clients and uh I recorded them and I recorded two guitars and I wanted I wanted to have fat guitars too so uh you were like I only have one guitar here and I'm like well Dave this is going to be hard how are you going to how you going to solve this one Dave and you put doubler on it now I don't like chorus on distorted guitars I just I'm not a fan of it I can hear it from a mile away but [ __ ] dude it didn't sound like you had core you put [ __ ] doubler on the [ __ ] that you did with waves plugins man like back in the day was just it's a testament to like how good you are man how good you was it an ADT no it was doubler it was you know the thing it's like okay fuchsia or blue whatever it's one of their first ones it's like it's an old one but you put it on there and you're like hey check it out one guitar and now it's two you son of a [ __ ] and it sounded amazing and then oh here's another one here's Story number three we're going down memory lane Dave okay you put a frequency spreader right what's it P22 PS 382 what PS22 okay you put PS22 on something I don't know what it was I don't remember what it was but it was and you were like I'm going to put 500 and 300 on the left side and I'm going to put, 1500 and this on the right side and it and dude it wasn't even in parallel Dave you were just like [ __ ] it I'm going to put it right on this [ __ ] I don't give a [ __ ] I'm Dave hard drive pensado no I didn't say that yes you did it was just where you looked right at the camera just like this holding a pensado's place cup and you said I'm [ __ ] Dave hard drive pensado I'm going to put PS3 what's it called well um PS22 i g to put PS22 all up in this [ __ ] and dud it no for real like it sounded amazing and I'm you were I had no idea what that plugin even did until I [ __ ] saw that episode Dave so uh on behalf of I mean I'm sure everybody that sits that has been lucky enough and I really do this is an honor for me I know we're joking and I appreciate you being funny with me [ __ ] up to got lucky hey same uh but uh it's it's it's humbling being in the presence of somebody that you've learned from that hasn't been the same room as you know and I think that every mixer in my generation and future generations and I'm sure mixers in your generation say the same for you know can say the same thing yeah cuz it's just how that's how smart you are it's how good you are Dave [ __ ] pensado [ __ ] you know no I like I don't like having uh the ends the same so I like having some something here on this side then I have something completely different on this side you know and then I sit there figuring out how to make them work you know what's cool about you Dave uh and this is real talk I'm not joking this is this is the curse of being a funny boy

everyone thinks you're a joke but I'm trying trying to get serious for just a little bit okay um you have a very good understanding this is something that like I've tried to absorb from from pensado's place from especially the inair stuff just here when you talk to other mixers um you have a very good bridge between intangible [ __ ] and science okay the science of it all and you know how to extract a feeling using knowledge right in a really cool way but you don't when you talk about it you don't hear about the scientific side even when you're trying to be scientific you only hear it from somebody who just really likes records you know so like that for me was an amazing way to be taught and it it's it's not an easy way to learn you know I mean teach yourself after hearing something like that it really takes it really makes the person your student your virtual student become disciplined in a really cool way I appreciate that uh I uh I know what you're saying um sometimes I do it a little different but I think you hit the nail on the head what head is that anybody we got any extra heads D you know I really hope you put those things in there with the [ __ ] you know me squinting like an idiot Bing Bong you know yeah my favorite thing is to have something ugly turn out to be the swine yeah I like that a good a nice surprise that's that I think is a very sat satisfying feeling to have a good sort of surprise where after you're like kind of spent mentally all a sudden song jumps out at you yeah it's like [ __ ] yeah and he did it you know it's it's really about the music at the end of the day well okay I got a question for you I got a good one and this is a non non-funny question okay what is something in a record that sort of stumps you that you always have to sort of think out I'm sure that you have a lot of instinctual moves that you make like you may hear something that's out of face oh I know how to do that or you may hear a bass that isn't harmonically like jelling with your kick drum or maybe the the kick drum wasn't tuned or something you know and I'm sure you have you've mixed a ton of Records where these fixes are instinctual but is there anything that you really have to think about you find yourself thinking a little bit more about from time to time when you are approached by these about to fall asleep yeah that's really yeah like you want to fall you want to like the song's put you to sleep before I fall asleep I uh things come to me oh so you don't fix those issues while you're were you just kind of press pause and let it marinate well no I I have to remember and just and then fix it tomorrow oh that's hard for me I always like to sit down and try and like yeah I have to write it out sometimes but I think everything we said today was good I mean it's we're human yeah and uh that humanity is what puts that sprinkling of coolness in what we do right I uh I was watching some AI and the the the AI I don't know what her gender was but uh but it was so funny it was just funny the AI is you what's that movie with the with what's their name rosan what [ __ ] Scarlett Johansson but she's not in the movie She's the per she's the AI assistant and the guy falls in love with her you know what I'm talking about Dave no her I didn't finish that movie it was kind of like boring to me but when they had the whole like I'll you have 10,000 emails shall I go through your email inbox and [ __ ] delete this [ __ ] based on what's important and I was like Hey I want that I want I don't care about anything else I want someone to do that you know yeah just go through my inbox and like delete things that exists is

it welcome to office talk with Dave pensado and Richie Beretta today we discuss AI email thing things hi okay uh man this was so much fun we have to do this again yeah and uh and peanut gallery thank you for being a good peanut gallery we appreciate apprciate that lovely ladies not you inel over here I pay him to do that yep I'll pay you when we get home thanks all right everybody let's give ourselves a big yeah we did it okay