Angela Zeng

You wanted the best. You've got the best podcast. The hottest podcast in the world. The Chris Voss Show. The preeminent podcast with guests so smart you may experience serious brain bleed. The CEOs, authors, thought leaders, visionaries, and motivators. Get ready. Strap yourself in. Keep your hands, arms, and legs inside the vehicle at all times cuz you're about to go on a monster education roller coaster with your brain. Now, here's your host, Chris Voss. Voss here from the Chris Vosshow. com. — There you go, ladies and gentlemen. When I release things that makes it official, in fact, uh I should just put her on my wake up uh alarm so that I can hear that in the morning. I'll just come alive and be like start telling jokes or something. Anyway guys, welcome to the big show. As always, we have the most amazing guests on the show that improve the quality of your life. We don't invite any guests that will ruin your life, just the ones that improve it. You can go to other shows for that. Uh tell your friends and neighbors, relatives to go to goodre. com Chris Foss, LinkedIn. com, chris one, the Tik Tocking, and all those crazy places on the internet. Today we have an amazing young lady on the show. We're going to be talking about her interesting journey. She is the founder of a company called Carviva. Uh she is a doctor, PhD, MBA, speaker, founder, and visionary behind the brand. An award-winning multifunctional beverage brand blending modern nutritional science with eastern wisdom. Born into generations of traditional herbalists and trained as a food scientist and traditional Chinese method, I'm sorry, Chinese medicine scholar. Uh she created Carviva to bridge cultural philosophy with clinical nutrition proving that food is better medicine. Today their low sugar plant powered drinks are transforming how people hydrate, recover, relax from athletes to everyday wellness seekers. Her scientific innovation and leadership have earned global recognition and she's been featured in Forbes, Bonapetit, USA Today, uh, Bloomberg, Yahoo Finance and Market Watch and she's reached the pinnacle of media, the Chris Fos Show podcast. Welcome to the show. How are you? Uh, Angela, — great Chris, thank you for that very glamorous grande intro. — Well, you did all the work. I just read the words. You did the life work. So, there you go. Uh, give us your dotcoms. Where can people find you on the interwebs? — Yeah. — It you can find at carviva. com. So, carviva spelling as k v i va. com. There you go. Easy enough. — Does that stand for something? Is that a is there a thing behind that a definition? — Absolutely. I mean, I'm waiting for you to ask this question. Yes. When I first started it was my brand name was Ander Karuna. K A R. — Yeah. You I mean it's like runa, right? R U N A. — And it's a that's a real word. That's a word from ancient India culture. So is it means compassion? Yeah. And if you go to India and there actually many uh beautiful ladies first name is Karuda. So I got question you know in the store when I was doing lots of sampling when I first started they asked me oh you are you an Indian brand I'm like oh you even know the this girl that's nice but I ran into this trademark issue — uh because I couldn't trademark a real word so I kind of come up with carviva so it's a combination so it's a word combo of karuna plus viva it kind of stands for the philosophy behind our formulation approach. So it's combining the eastern healing wisdom with uh I would say modern medical science. So viva is a Italian word means longevity, [clears throat] happiness. Yeah. — Ah we like happiness. — Oh yeah. — That's a good thing. Um now I see here too on your website you guys won a 2021 Mid America Emmy award winner. Uh winning. — Yeah. Mid America. Yes. So what happened is um there was a local uh education channel. [clears throat] — Mhm. — And uh one of their reporter got super interested in our story. A long story to be short. Happened to be her daughter was on the same swimming team of my daughter. And then one day, I didn't even know this girl just with bunch of other my daughter's friend came to my house and I made uh some smoothie using my juice just blended with some fresh fruits, but the base is all my juices.

And then this girl went back to her house and told her mom, "Oh gosh. " And Jacqueline's mom made the best smoothie. You should learn how to do it. So her mom got curious and then [gasps and laughter] uh dip into this drink and he said, "Oh, fascinating story. " And then they made a really short documentary film. It was only about less than six minutes. — Yeah, it got nominated and then went the uh Yeah. win the Mid America Emmy. — There you go. Well, congratulations. I mean, there's not a lot of food companies to win an Emmy. I'm not sure McDonald's is winning an Emmy anytime soon for a Big Mac, but yours food's healthy. So, we tease McDonald's a lot, which is probably why they never advertise. Uh, so uh, you know, what kind of ingredients are we talking about in this brand? What makes it unique or different or a specialty uh, aside from maybe other competitors or perceived competitors in the marketplace that you know try and market? — Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. functional uh food and beverage market has been growing really fast. I'm sure [snorts] u most people I mean you don't have to be a expert in the market but you know if you walk into any store now these days you see this wall of different kind of beverages you almost got lost like oh my gosh which one I want right even water has so many choices right compared to years ago — um I will say what make us unique again is the principle is the foundation we build upon is this combination know I would say is really rooted in this ancient healing wisdom. I didn't invent that. I basically hear that I have this deep roots in traditional Chinese medicine. So to me is I feel like I'm just a vehicle help spreading this ancient wisdom. I'm just hoping more people can understand that. But you know lots of ancient recipes may not be suitable for modern lifestyle anymore. So I kind of tweak and adapt them to now these days what we truly need, our target customers truly needs. And I was trained in medical research for many years, 20some years. So as a habit, I like to dig deeper into the clinical study, the [snorts] research study behind each functional ingredient I use. Then I combine both. So that's a very unique approach for me again rooted in this uh TCM approach or the same approach also shared in Japan, India, ancient India is [clears throat] you are not when you put a good effective remedy together. It's not just a blending the superfood ingredient. It's about understanding what each ingredient does and then you do this kind of really rationalized combination the ratio you know how do you combine them and also sourcing of the ingredient extremely important that makes lots of sense right I can give you an example like goji berry we do use goji berry in one of our drink goji berry you can grow goji berry in your backyard like people in um middle best you can the climate is fine enough for you to do that. However, it's very different than the goji berry resourced in a particular region uh in the uh northern western part of China because their climate especially the soy condition — basically give you this therapeutic grade of the berry that you can't find anywhere else because this berry condense the minerals the things from that unique climate environment that you can't reproduce use in another region and we use another very interesting ingredient. It's not just one. I love sprouts. I'm sure lots of people heard about sprouted seeds, right? Which — has been always very popular but not widely available because it's quite costly and it's not like everyone knows is better but it's not easily to be produced in a massive scale. That's why you don't see it in the food market that often. But you know they're health nuts looking for such specialty things. So I love sprouts. Sprouts is another interesting veggies right. You can sprout anything. You can sprout like I use broccoli sprouts. You can sprout radish seeds. You can sprout africa seeds. Yes. — And the beauty about sprouts just think about it's a baby plants. — So the seeds is already a condense of nutrient. is like a power nutrient powerhouse but the sprouts is start to release is it's the beginning of a new life so it start to release all the nutrients and the other thing is

some of the you know there's a lots of talk if you if your audience ever listen to those big uh I would say health and wellness podcast um uh shows they probably hear about this anti-nutrient whatever the thing you know in for example people talking about in certain kind of seeds or soybeans you have this kind of it can be quite misleading you know but sprouting through the sprouting process you actually can eliminate lots of those compounds maybe to some people is a concern for most people it's probably fine but that's unique thing about sprouting right so we use sprouts in many of our juices and — one of the reason in addition to this nutrient dense and it's naturally sugarf free. It's naturally high fiber, high protein. It's also because traditional eastern medicine holds a very special place. For example, I use lots of mine sprouts. Mambin is used for gosh thousands of years for detox. Detox like all kinds of factors. In the past, people feel like h it might be it must be just a folk remedy and people just believe it. Who knows? — [gasps] — Yeah, maybe a strange guy started use it 500 years ago. People just continue. But no, actually there are real mable not just one, not just a dozen of study to show to pinpoint which compounds in the m beans actually chilates the toxins in our body and help our body to eliminate that. So that's why it is it is useful. So that's the to answer your question. I know I took I took a long detour to answer your question is this whole thing is how we formulate each drinks — to serve our customers are very different than I call the rest most of uh the formulators um either trained classic trained food scientists that means um they are chemists — very smart but they think from a chemist standpoint you know chemist a chef. I'm already there. And then or you just have people kind of like now these days you can use your AI even you can use AI to come up with recipes. You just say oh I want something for super hydration or muscle recovery. The AI will give you a recipe. [clears throat] — It is true. But it's not about that. It's not about a kitchen sink approach. is I combine dozens of superfood ingredient and the most trendy ingredient that boom this is the drink I offer I always say you know what's the rationale is that being tested in the market of course we cannot do clinical studies this is not clinical drugs however that has been used for thousands of years if it worked it should still work now — yeah I mean things shouldn't really change right — there you go uh let's see here now. Now it looks like you target on your website several uh sort of health wellness sort of things like immunity sh uh products or drinks I suppose uh gut health menopause energy sleep and relaxation healthy heart weight management and women's health. So you guys formulate these drinks to target some of these different things and help people uh you know uh deal with them better I guess. — Yeah. Yeah, I would say well here you can look at through two different lens. One is from the holistic wellness lens. — When you have a holistic doesn't matter what kind of product you offer, — you want to answer the question what problems I'm solving for my customers. And uh one thing about many of the traditional remedy is they it will tell you oh this helps with 10 different things. It sometimes can be confusing. It can be confusing. Lots of especially I would say lots of um in the old days we have different remedies it will say boost the immunity, enhance your eyesight, make your skin look better. Well you know gosh yeah when you have a strong digestions you going to be in good health. Most people don't realize that digestive health is the foundation of your health — and we understand that for thousands of years and you probably hear you know when I first come to this country that was 30 years more than 30 years ago when I talk about gut is your second brain people stare at you it's like what nonsense what are you talking about and you even in medical research right gut is not your second bra but now it's proved by science

Tons of scientific data prove that. — So it again goes back to I would say the best TCM doctor always want to look at how is your digestive system. So once you fix your digestive issue, you're going to start your health is going to start to improve. So as a results, yes, you're going to have stronger immunity. better hormone balance. you're going to have beautiful skin, hair, all those things. However, you know, if you just tell your shopper, oh, you know, this is just for digestive health, then people, most people will understand that, oh, it just going to make me digest things better and maybe I'll don't have issue like constipation, those kind of stuff. — They don't understand, oh, it's going to help me with many other things. So, you want to kind of lead them to the problems, the symptoms. So again this is different. You want to we want to address where why you are not feeling well — instead of the basic symptoms. The basic symptoms can be you have a muscle ache, you have a joint issue, you have a you get sick all the times or you can't digest well, you know, or you have just always don't feel right. But uh but you know, so that's how we kind of group them. But on the other side from business marketing point you pretty much see this on the market all the times. You see one drink like turmeric drink will say help you join help you whatever. — I mean it's just how I think in this culture we like to see results super fast. — Yeah. — Right. We have a microwave or whatever culture you call it. — [gasps] — So if you kind of tell them, oh, you know, you really need to be patient. You don't really need to take that medical pills, but uh it's going to take you a little bit to fix how you eat things, how you, you know, kind of live your life, but you many of the chronic disease can be reversed. I'm not just misleading people, you know. Uh but again, um people take medicine. I'm not against that. But on the other side, it'll change your lifestyle uh can really help, you know. — Yeah. — There you go. — So for us is about focus on what customers wants kind of trying to align this fundamental difference of you need to be patient. It takes a while for you to regain your health versus customers in this culture want results in three seconds. — Yeah. I want all my problems I've spent 50 years making with my body to uh just be wiped out uh by a pill. Uh you know and uh I've seen that where I've had to change my diet. life. I change what I consume and consume more healthier stuff. And it does take time and your body will adjust and you you'll love it in the when you finally get there. But uh sometimes the journey can be fun because your body is so used to being poisoned and addicted to sugar and fats and other things. Now I notice in a lot of your products you have antioxidants, collagen, electrolytes. Uh some of your products are for uh sport recovery, immunity, uh rejuvenation and cleansing, uh energy, uh detox, unwind, so you can I guess help get away from drinking that wine. I mean, wine's nice, but that alcohol, man, that's uh I had to finally give that up, too. Wellness uh and sprouts uh bottle of sprouts there and uh cleanse packs. So, you got to you cover the whole gambit of being healthy. — Yeah, it's a holistic I would say lifestyle brand. — So, we try to address uh the issue you have from morning to night, — but you know, most of them are related. — Oh, wow. Now I see something you have this thing called premium unwind. Tell us about that. — Yes. So the unwind actually the story behind it I think is uh you will find it very interesting. What happened is I have a friend and she lives in LA, the Hollywood region and she happened to have a good her dear friend was uh is a actress, you know, you just playing different roles in TV shows and she asked me this question. I I don't want to drink alcohol, but when I go to social events, um I don't want to feel awkward, you know. I mean, it's like everyone else have a glass of something in their hand. I don't want to drink just boring water or a glass of uh cranberry juice or whatsoever. So, but I tried every non-alcohol wine on the market. They taste horrible. I'm like, "Yeah, I know.

I tried those two because the process I really I drilled down into exactly how they make the non-alcohol wine. They have three different art process you can do. Most of them are physical through physical process to remove the alcohol. But most of those process because the way they do it to take the alcohol out really destroy the natural beautiful aroma associated with wine that people enjoy. So I'm like why you want to think about just taking the alcohol out from a wine? How about I make a new drink that is uh not only it tastes and look like a wine but will give you this health benefits because you think about why people drink non-alcohol wine they want better health — you know people who just want to al alcohol they don't care they don't care their liver and brain get damaged right or they don't care next day I can't function however people who become like you right quit alcohol because you care about your own health. So for me it's like okay I really want to feel focus on this health benefits. So we have quite a few different ancient remedies are designed to actually detox alcohol detox like really strong toxins especially just helps your liver and uh liver to recover. So I kind of reformulated one of them so it tastes and uh look like a wine but you know obviously Yeah. So, it's not a it's not the traditional non-alcohol wine because I don't follow that process. It's totally a different process. Um, on the other side, I I really want to focus on what this unique customers, you know, group they really want, right? They want something. Even you can enjoy a glass of wine regular, but drink kariva deto kiva unwine. It actually help your body kind of detox that alcohol, right? Because you know all the natural compounds, remedies. For example, I have aronia berry which is amazing super berry. Then we have you know something you'll probably feel strange about is uh is this a special prickly pear juice. Prickly pear. Yes. It actually the natural remedy in the natives uh use it to lower blood sugar level. — Wow. — Right. So when you drink alcohol, what happened? Your blood sugar level shook up to the roof because alcohol is even more. — That's the other reason. — That's the main reason I gave up alcohol. Not only the hangovers, but I mean it's just sugar. It turns the sugar in your system like — Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. — Yeah. And so how long you've been doing this? What was tell us the story behind founding the company? What was the proponents behind it that made you have that aha moment where you're like ahuh and I think you gave us a little bit of the upgrade of the story. You you had mentioned that uh you were making it I think and some neighbors really liked it and but tell us how you developed the business and stuff like that. Yeah, I think as many entrepreneurs uh we become bold or crazy enough to start a business from ground is because we got that genetic or we got that whatever the same comparisons from — from either our family members or people around us. I mean I got that from my my father's uh really — family. they're all small business owners — and uh so yeah so I kind of start to play with you know starting small business when I was even in college I started the first flower shop on campus that was back in China many years ago it was almost impossible for a student to start doing business on campus you know so I kind of just pushed that through for me it was fun uh I have to say because I've been playing with tradition remedy since I was very little. And I I use that I've been using that daily, you know, for myself, for my families, for my friends. And so just about 10 years ago, my friends was like, you know, gosh, have you ever thought about making your some of your rum because they really work just to bottle them and make them, you know, or make them into supplements. So I thought about okay you know back then I was like uh you know then that means I have to quit my job and starting from I don't know and then I was like why not I want to do it. So I went to a bathnet boot camp I was like I know nothing about making beverages you know I know a little bit about beverage industry but not enough for me to make beverage that you know you can sell in many stores — not just in a farmers market. So, and I was like, okay, I learned this. I am going to try. And then I start to call a bunch of c-ackers. And then people say

what what you going to use? I say bean sprouts. They say, you crazy enough. No, no. We're not going to touch your recipe. Sorry. Then I went I'm a person because probably because my years of training in research then actually that got me like more determined. I was like, — okay, there's a problem. seems like no one else can solve. Okay, I'm going to roll up my sleeves and find a solution for it. — It's like design some experiments and find the solution answer for this. I'm like, well, you guys cannot make it. I'm going to make it myself. And then I started looking into how do I crazy enough, I built a small facility here in St. Louis because I was determined to make this drink and then I had to even put a in-house hydroponic farm in my facility because I had to grow the sprouts. I went to the sprouting farms and I wasn't happy with how they grow it because — they had to use chemicals because for food safety reason I cannot blame them. But for me, I want to keep my drain clean. So the only way to do it, I had to grow them outside so I can harish them freshly within few minutes. So I'm like, okay. So I put all these things together and I start to make my drink and started with my local Whole Foods. I mean, the first day we sold out like three of the five products. So I was like, "Okay, maybe that's a good sign. I'll just continue to do it. " Yeah. — Um that's just how it got started. I think is just a matter of like many people is uh first you really have to think about — why you are starting this business. It's just I think if the only reason is I want to get onto Shark Tank, I want to be famous and rich then don't do it because it is so hard and the chance that you you get to that stage to be successful is very small. I'm sure I mean the real data I think is that right? 90% of the new business don't survive the first year or so. — Yeah. The first year too high 80 to 90% pretty high number — and then you know and most people probably started they cannot carry that through because it not just requires time efforts hard work it requires funding too. I mean it's just all the f all the factors you need to have and it's not easy. — It's not easy at all. But the thing I love about being an entrepreneur is it really makes you self-actualized and for a lot of people self-accountable because you know like you say you have to carry the load. There's no one behind you that you can be blamed for stuff. you know, the buck stops here. And it's great from the ability to feel self-actualized and like, okay, well, I can either make or break things, you know, like what you mentioned, I can either, you know, I can tip the scales in my favor possibly if I work hard, if I provide a good enough service or product and stuff. So it it's a great thing, but once you get the what I call the uh the disease, the entrepreneur disease, it's hard to get rid of it once you start a company. So that's why a lot of entrepreneurs just keep going back and back. — You're right. It's a I think it's something becomes uh addictive in certain ways like once you start to work on a business from the ground up, it becomes your own baby, right? You just you have this feeling emotional force attached to that. But on the other side sometimes you have to stand like thousands of miles above and just really look at from a very you know objective uh way just to look at it. It's a very unique like even like you to be such a successful podcast host is not that easy. People think, "Oh, how difficult is to do a podcast? " Like, "Why don't you do 10 show first and then talk about how easy we're all — You know, it's funny. I do that to people because they'll call me up and they'll be like, "Hey, we want you to coach us on doing a podcast because it looks really easy. We just get a mic and a speaker and a I don't know, we ask somebody to come on. It looks really easy. " And you know, and we have what I call the zombie podcasts all over. There's probably a million or two million of them. uh that you know someone started and 80% of them never make it past episode 7. — And then the 20% that do survive, 80% of those don't make it past episode 25. — Wow. — So yeah, to be a top 1% podcaster, you just have to have like I think it's like 75 episodes now — or 100. They don't count the downloads, so you know, whatever. But uh so they'll ask me, they'll go, "Hey, Chris, you know, uh I wanna I want to spend all this money and do all these things and buy all these mics and equipment. " And I'm like, "Hey, do something first. Let me save you some time here. Do something first. I want you just take your phone

and I want you to pretend like you're having a guest or maybe just find your kid or somebody a spouse or a loved one uh someone that you can maybe talk to and interview and just sit down and I want you to do three 30 minute interviews or if your format's 15 minutes do 15 but at least 15 because talking for that amount of time on a regular basis you really got to have fill you got to be able to fill time. You got to have great stories. You got to be interesting. And not all of these, of course, I'm not, but I just read about it in a book and uh when I stayed at the Holiday Inn last night. — So, um — gosh, I always admire, you know, podcasters like you guys. Seriously, I mean, it's that persistency 99% of the people on earth don't have. — Yeah. — You know, you get most people started something with full of like ambition. And I always like feel so excited. But like you said, most of them I mean I think I read the data like just consistent with you said don't even reach episode number 10. — Yeah. Because it's a lot of hard work. Once you start want to do it well, not just a crabby work, it becomes it becomes really hard. — Yeah. Even being a host is uh a skill set and a talent and — Oh gosh. Yeah. — Like I can't even stand to watch shows I did a year ago. We've been doing this for 16 years, 2000 episodes. Like I we're still growing and perfor and getting better. We hope we are. But uh out of all those people like that, I say give me three episodes because if you can't do this for free, you don't need to be in podcasting. Like if you can't like I would do this business and talk people's ear off, which I did most of my life being a Gri out storyteller. Uh and you know how many people pass that test that I give them just to sit down and have a 15-minute interview that they fake? Doesn't have to be anything official. perfect. Just just show me that you can do three 15minute fills. 99. 9% never fail. In fact, I don't think anyone's ever beaten it. No. Come to think of it, no one's ever beaten it. — Wow. — So, they just always go, "Yeah, I'll get back to you, Chris, on that. — Never go back. " — Yeah. Never shows up. Yeah. And I've been doing that for like five or six years now where people ask me I go let me save you a lot of money and a lot of waste of your time because you know you don't and you know part of it is too is you do what you love. I think you could probably say that about your brand and Oh yeah — and the care and love you poured into developing that brand is that passion. Tell us more about that in your end. Yeah, I mean absolutely because not I mean when you talk when I talk to buyers right I mean retail buyers doesn't matter. I mean you just get used to hearing no a lot more nos than yes and after a while you get used to it. I mean it does two things. Makes your skin thicker and thicker but on the other side you don't you don't feel like you're numb. You lose that passion. So that that's actually really hard. find balance. You want to have thick skin to take a no and then continue to improve yourself, your product, your brand. But on the other side, you don't want to become like, ah, I just don't care anymore. No, who cares? I'm bad as a what. So, but I think that's a fine balance. And then um yeah, by the way, what you just said, that was that's that was super helpful. I'm sure because now these days podcast becomes — a very trendy marketing tool right you hear even in our field I mean functional uh beverage or just you know CPG brands people always say oh you can start a podcast show that will help you to grow your brand I'm like yeah just I kind of read a little bit about that I know it's not that easy and you just said that perfectly I think — thank you I don't think anything is I mean your job isn't your work being an entrepreneur is not easy. But the amount of value that you can provide to people to improve the quality of their lives in direct proportion to the value that serves or what people are willing to pay in the marketplace makes all the difference and that's really — that's really what that comes down to. Um and that's really what entrepreneurs do that I really love talking about entrepreneurism and people out there in the audience are hopefully inspired. We were just talking in the prior show how it's even now more so easier to become an entrepreneur than before, you know, I became an entrepreneur in the brick-andmortar thing like you did where you have to um you know, you got to buy all this stuff and offices and equipment and manufacturing crap and you know, all this stuff before you can even start making a dime and see if your idea really works. Um, and uh, you know, I mean, I we used to have the phone lines installed and then we had to wait for weeks for that and then week for the sign guy to put up and the furniture to get delivered and then someone had to put all together and set

up the office. Nowadays, just buy a com of a GoDaddy and you're in business basically. — Yeah, — it's pretty crazy. — Yeah, I think the technology just like um made anyone young folks, even teenagers, they can be their own boss. Um I mean that's the fascinating part about what technology does but on the other side like you said entrepreneur this spirit makes us human — right — I mean I don't think AI can become entrepreneur who knows maybe one day the say oh I'm going to start this business who knows — but right now I don't see that happen I think that's a unique human being thing — yeah it is It's I'm it it's so great just to take ideas and there's always a way to improve everything. Like that's what I tell people cuz people like, "Well, I don't really have any ideas, Chris. " Like everything's already been done. And well, that's kind of true. It's kind of not. It's a it's a thing where um you know, I remember looking at uh uh paper clips. This always sticks with me and people in the audience have heard it for a while. But I remember looking at paper clips and uh I was like, "Well, that's pretty much done. Paper clips. What a brilliant idea. So inventive, so innovative, yada yada. " And then I started going to pets uh pet the pet or the uh shop or uh Office Max, you know, things like that. And uh you know, then they had jagged edge uh edges down the line of the zip of the uh of the paper clips to hold better. I'm like, "Wow, I didn't know that could be improved. " Then they had ones that were painted all sorts of different colors cuz, you know, people got to have colors, you know, and uh so then there was that and I was like, "Damn. " And then I saw people making plastic — innovations of what would normally be paper clips that are much better and easier to pull off and put on. And so, yeah, it's anything and everything, including your own products and services, can constantly be improved infinitely. And if you don't improve them as an entrepreneur for your own products, someone else will and they'll take your customers, right? — Yes. — That's the fun of uh the business. So, as we go out, uh give us uh your final pitch out, tell people where they can order up the products, how they can get to know them better, you your guys' better, and all that good stuff. — Yeah. If you're curious about Kariva and how we make our drinks, go to our website homepage. Here is a short video about three minutes. — Uh you can watch it. You kind of learn how we do formulation and sourcing. Uh and you can go to our story page if you get curious about learning this uh short film that win the uh 2021 Mid American Emmy Award. I thought that was well made. It was short enough. It's not boring. And of course, you're welcome to try our product. You can order directly at carviva. com or go to Amazon. You just search for Carviva K A R V I VA or juice cleanser. We're actually one of the top seller in the juice cleanser category. So you can find us there. Um yeah, and it depends on where do you live in this country. You might find it in your store, your favorite store as well. So love to hear from you your feedback and uh that's you know how we continue to improve. — There you go serve you better. — carviva. com. There you go. Well, thank you very much for coming on the show. We really appreciate it and all of your insightful uh inspiration. Hopefully we can inspire some more entrepreneurs and of course people to order your product as well. Thanks Angela. — Thank you Chris. That was fun. — Thank you and thanks for tuning in. Go to goodre. comris linkedin. com Chrisfos ch Chrisfos one on the Tik Tok and all those crazy places on the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe. Don't maybe pull the car over there and come back there. See you next time. — You've been listening to the most amazing intelligent podcast ever made to improve your brain and your life. Warning, consuming too much of the Chris Show podcast can lead to people thinking you're smarter, younger, and irresistible sexy. Consume in regularly moderated amounts. Consult the doctor for any resulting brain bleed.