Kick Talk w/ Eddie | Episode 24 ft. ADIN ROSS

I was having some slight issues in my stream just before how's it going everybody got lots of people in the chat already Hees that's awesome Eeps hell yeah now we're breaking up the V I want to keep the the stake VOD and the kick VOD separately so we uh yeah try to separate it out by going offline guys episode 24 of kick

talk this one's pretty epic we've got a pretty special guest Aiden how you doing man I'm so mad at you I'm so tired bro you made me pull a [ __ ] all nighter bro dude you're AC as if you're acting as if you don't stay up this time all the time come on yeah to talk to you ruin my life you're Australian you got to get to America bro hold on let me get my camera on one second dud give me one second hold on it doesn't matter if I we were in the US or in in budy Europe or anywhere you'd be up at like 6:00 a. m. no matter what she [ __ ] is like 8:30 a. m. right now it is 9:40 in the morning I'm I haven't slept almost been 24 hours I woke at like 1 p. m dude look at your room this is not my room this is K's I was gonna say you've never G that much effort to get your your [ __ ] together I was like [ __ ] what's wrong with you this is crazy start this [ __ ] I'm tired I'm cranky and I'm about to Bro the energy you put on I'm about to match I swear to God bro so hey it looks good though wait you staying with comi right now yeah I sleep with him we sleep in the same bed we share the same bedroom hey fair enough hey man it's awesome to see you I I haven't seen your face in like a long time yeah man you know I'm trying to get live and [ __ ] brother stuff happen in the back end we got to fix we gota we got to make right I'm ready though man 2025 is my year when was when was the lot it's been a couple months right but we're going to see something special hopefully the next few days yeah um we got planned yeah I think we got some cool [ __ ] planned um if you had the rank like in terms of kind of like what you got planned up coming these next weeks like where do it sit because you've done some pretty insane comebacks like this is a is it up there well I'll tell you what I think you know what stream I'm talking about I think that one is going to be a [ __ ] hit I think that's probably be one of the biggest I've ever done so I'm excited bro I think we got some cool [ __ ] on the way my first boxing event is going to be January finally got that [ __ ] back and uh I just got to get live bro we we got to figure this out and I'm ready bro it's hey bro we look kick us down right now we got to pick it back up we got to fix this [ __ ] we got to change everything bro come on we got to get started with that what are we doing first man all right well look I got questions for you guys that I came up with all right I'm for the people I tell you I tell I've got a few real easy ones I then I'll let you can go all that me how does that sound let's go all right all right um [ __ ] where should we start man I tell you what we got so much to talk about but I got to ask you one thing thing obviously I saw like all these people talking about their kind of Rush um the mount Rush more for like streamers and stuff right and I saw like X gave you like a shout out I saw to be fair like everyone gave you a pretty honest shout out which is which was really great to see I don't know You' answered this question already excuse me if you have but who who's your for what who's your rush mwth for for streaming um so my Rush war is four right not five it's four right yeah four four four or five okay my four my actual four I'm gonna say Aiden Speed high and probably ninja to be honest probably ninja did you can't put yourself like come on can you I thought he was going to do I thought he did Aiden Aiden when he did Aiden I thought he was gonna go Aiden Aiden I think but if I were to have a fifth I'd have to put EX in there like I'd have to he's like in my opinion he's like the best fundamental Sho of all time that we've ever had he could do anything and make it work with who he is so yeah um that that's my top five all time I think it's a good I must say Obviously yeah Kai speed yourself like I think when you kind of think of this like new generation of streaming that's like up and coming like you know obviously those three names and ninja of course right like you know pretty much shaping a lot of what streaming is today in terms of like you know being such a huge personality and then xqc of course these last five years has like absolutely dominated so that's a good CH I think I pronounced that wrong by the way I'm not yeah it's Mount Rush more right not yes I [ __ ] that up yeah that's like a big thing in the US right it's like a US attraction or something hey dude you I don't even know where the [ __ ] that's at I swear to God I don't know where that's at it's like North Dakota or some [ __ ] I don't know what shout out to actual mus rush I don't know where the [ __ ] that's at um but I actually saw somebody your chat type that and I want to actually make that known ricegum is the real [ __ ] goat like I feel like rice comum walked so everyone could run like and I and I give my flowers all the time and let him know how important he is for the entertainment uh space because what he did he took that [ __ ] to the next level and that made other people like finally want to start doing what he was doing he was bringing on porn stars before there was even a twitch it was like some like random [ __ ] streaming site he he was finding those crossovers right before everybody else was so rice is also up there for me too what would you say that Rice was like a huge inspiration for you when you came into the game yeah and you know when I moved when I moved in with him back in 2021 a few years back um he would constantly give me input and advice on like what to do in certain situations and kind of guide me through the bad B the bad times and the good times and he's pretty a genius that 2021 era right like you were in Los Angeles right when you were in that house that had like the green curtain background like what is that out there in one of your most memorable eras or oh for sure I don't think that's personally my best but I definitely want to say that's one of my I me my probably my top three uh my personal favorite is when I came back the year after and I all my friends came with it just shows that like look I could bring all me my friends onto the camera together and it's more natural and I feel like it's way better but look bro I have many more years left I just gota got to figure this [ __ ] out we gota we got to just stay consistent I don't want to be able to take breaks consistently where it's like [ __ ] with the year but it all comes down to a certain factors that I know for sure I need to cut out completely in order for me to be mentally stable for the entire year it's a marathon not a Sprint so that's the whole thing but like talking about highlights quickly before we move on like this year like it was only a little over a month ago that you had it was Dana White right in in like the election speech was it Dana White I think it was Dana White mentioning your name like what where does that ring that was pretty [ __ ] sick right like it like you've got like a new president being announced and and you know your name's kind of alongsid it as being kind of you know part of that decision like how did that feel like when you watching that like what was your reaction like that would have been like pretty crazy right yeah I was sitting in uh my movie theater with my friends and family and uh they were they looked over they turned to me and everyone got happy as [ __ ] and you know I felt that feeling too I was like damn this is surreal but uh I think just see my parents be proud the most was probably like the biggest like um the warmest feeling I felt probably from that moment because that was huge it was um so and and again they you know we're talking about it running it back at the White House when you know after he's in there so that's going to be [ __ ] sick too you know a lot of cool [ __ ] can come out of that as well but that was a great moment it was a great seriously awesome there was that photo that came out quite recently as well not long after that it was like you Trump Dana White and Elon Musk at the UFC right like well that was only like a few days later like you must have felt pretty you know you're quite well connected at that point like you you've taken streaming to another level when you're getting shout outs at like an election speech you're suddenly just like casually hanging out with you know Elon Musk you've got Dana White there you've got the you know the ex soon to be president like that that's a pretty epic photo right yeah it is uh it was a great moment again with my dad I go to Every UFC with my dad it was a great moment great father and son moment for us um and um yeah you know I shook elon's hand I never told this story and Elon is just his mind is like spacing like I feel like he's so smart all his thoughts are just bouncing off of like a thought of a thought and you could see it so when I was like this close to Elon I'm like oh my God he smiled at me he shook my hand um you know we have a lot of mutuals him and I so maybe one day me and Elon could do something really cool I would love to I think he's a he's the man for the future he wants to save the world and I really love Elon Musk I also think he saved the election too he helped the election out big very he saved that in my opinion so I like him I think elon's great man the craziest thing is all this has happened since like since you last went live yeah I haven't been live in a minute missing it bro going crazy I want to go live I have so much energy I need to burst out and get back and all this stuff bro so I'm eager man I want to get live quick so that's what I want to do just like Switching gears for just a second Switching gears so so zooming out from like the you know the world of of large scale Fame that you've been existing in and kind of comeing coming to kick here you know it doesn't feel like long ago right that you and I were having some of the sort of preliminary discussions around like you know what a new streaming platform could potentially look like you know I remember there was a few other people on the call like there was you know it was like this very vague idea right this vague idea that hold on is there a world where another streaming platform could exist and you know this is what this would have been like September I guess 2022 I think maybe October um you know and I remember those times funly like there were good times there were good time you it leaves me this question that you know I think we discussed quite a bit back then with a few people on that call um you know why does a place like kick exist in your opinion you know why should a place like kick exist well look I'm going to be honest and and this is kind of what I want to talk to you both about because um I feel like kick when it first came obviously the motivation behind it was obviously the stake ban but now it turned into something way more than that and everyone knows it's real I think basically when you have competition against the number one like for example twitch is like the Nike of this [ __ ] if you have competition with that it kind of like to fire under twitch's ass and it like a fire under Kick's ass to make both platforms better so that's what I think it does it makes the space bigger better and it can potentially make everything way bigger together like if since kick is a thing it made twitch better you know what I mean there's already things that people can call out that what kick has done it made twitch have to basically react and do their own changes recently I don't think I don't think what uh I just said I think we were very strong on it and my take is I think uh kicks go a we got to tea up in some ways in my opinion um I just see the longevity and things that I see what really matters and I think that there's so much more we can do and make better and look it starts with me too I'm not perfect and also like it's it come it's one of these things it's like I also love kick and I came to kick and my community came and my community you help you help build kick right like you you're on that kind of that kind of founding team right yeah for sure I mean and again with a community like myself they're very you know engaging right so they helped bring that [ __ ] they literally help make that [ __ ] boom right no app we came on I I'll never forget we came on with no app we came you know we saw basically it was just hella bugs the first day but we made it work and again I still think kick has been built from the ground up and it's made it come so far that I wouldn't like to I just wouldn't want to see kick basically tuble to the ground personally I wouldn't like to see that and I know you guys wouldn't either um first and foremost I agree with everything but secondly I think you know Ki Kick's e to stay right kick I think is something that is you know I think it's I've said this a heap of times right I like the live streaming industry and going up against someone so well established and so well respected such as twitch it's hard work it ain't easy it's not as easy as we ever thought um you know I say it's been a humbling experience for me personally um and you know but on that same note um I don't think anything would ever stop us from getting in the way of giving this a red hot crack you know it's such a rewarding industry you know probably for the same reason you stream and love streaming so much you know I think just being involved in it you know me personally I do one stream a week or whatever but you know just being involved in the industry you know getting close to whether it's creators like yourself or smaller creators who are up and coming it's just it actually pretty Epic so you know in whatever capacity kick will always exist that that's something I'm not worried about but you know can kick be better can it be bigger can it be giving you know um the big players YouTube and twitch a better run for their money of course it can and I think you know with that obviously needs to be slight change in Direction slight change in how we operate um you know continuous learnings that come from just being in this industry a longer time because reality is where're we're you know still the new players on the Block and there's a lot to learn and I think uh you know you've given a lot of guidance as well and been a part of a lot of those decisions so you know I think it's uh I think there there's still there's still a lot more to be a chief that's for sure oh no for sure bro and again I want to make it very clear I think everyone could admit it like this is not another mixer situation I think what kake's done in the past two years no other platform could have done it right like the end of the day like if you think about like when this thing started up and you think about how long it took like other platforms like YouTube streaming and Twitch streaming how long it took them to really get to wear at like it's it takes a long time you know it does and I'm very aware of that as well I think people also have to understand like everything nowadays is kind of like everyone's like oh well [ __ ] like this one's doing this good but you got to look like how what was the start date on these two you know what's the difference on the date so people don't give that credit as much the flowers that so I'll admit that but yeah look I think that kick is here to stay too I just think that like little things like when you I think the little things matter the most and what I mean is when things aren't basically happening it becomes an issue and I think that creates bigger problems on the platform and I give you guys an example that just came off the top of my head if you guys want me to yeah is that cool okay so a stream like your age he came on and he was asking for like one thing he wanted Channel points and he wanted you know voting or polls right the right vot poll system um and I think he asked a long time a long time for that his community they're very big on that to be fair I've know Josh a very long time for years and I know for a fact that like he's the type of person that involves the community like all these reactions and all these types of things and I just know that he made it very like you know very clear that he needed that feature in order for his chat to kind of be engaged you know he wanted that feature so that's an example um that I could just think up the top of my head I can aim more but it's like what I don't want to do that I just want to show you guys like the small change could do so much for the platform that's what I'm trying to get at yeah now I think Channel points is one of many examples of of you know features which are incredibly important um yeah you know obviously you know um you know obviously it's not too far off being worked on a few sort of hiccups in in the road when it came to some of the development road maps which have been frustrating right you know frustrating for people like your age incredibly um but the same note incredibly frustrating for the people here working a kick as well we wish we'd have this out earlier there there's certain aspects to the um to the development timeline which has been pushed back a bit but are we working on it of course um will it come out soon of course and you I always say this right Aiden it's um you know once you do have say all those small things which are so important when they combined together when all those small things are in place you know the fundamentals of what's in place in terms of the platform the mentality the platform has the mentality of how we're operating it um you know I think that's going to position kicking an incredibly strong way would you agree I do I think if you guys have the best of the best uh products and features you have everything that basically makes you guys like oh we have this we have that we have this then yeah I do I think then you guys will be able to be you know in a better place for sure 100% so then tell us tell the world so when's this uh when's this new uh product coming out what do we think we what you want to what are you thinking Le leak some [ __ ] Bro go ahead I can't Le the thing is dates I can't keep dates out anymore we made we made this like this this new way of approaching stuff you know rather than saying like hey look this is coming here we're just like all right you know what rather than like setting timelines and then leaving us in a situation where we may have to rush something out and not have it up the par we're kind of taking this quality approach um so I can't give you a timeline but like I think you know things are pretty close right in terms of we're talking about you know whether it's Channel points whether variations to sort of bits or kicks as we call them whether we call it uh you know the new application which I know is incredibly overdue very overdue you know this stuff's all you know very much moving um date wise I couldn't say but has it been is it close uh [ __ ] you very close yeah just to chime in really quick on that end there there's a different Nuance I want to add to this CU what I'm hearing Aiden say also is like when guys like your age talk they need to be listened to right or communicated with like hey like I want Channel points where on the priority list are we putting that when we're talking about that right and then communicating that back I think a massive thing is that we got a couple devs in our chat right now right so they're hearing this right they're hearing this in real time and which is fantastic because in Australia it's like 2: in the morning 3: in the morning right so you got our team who's in here right now who's taking this dead serious when they hear Aiden Ross is coming on so I think another Nuance to this is that not just like delivering on the product but like when our partners at that level start to speak like what is our communication back with you guys right like how do we Round Table this how do we communicate back to you guys that this is going to take a little bit more time that way you guys don't feel like I'm just not being listened to does that make sense yeah it does and again like you know the fact that devs are hearing everything and they're and they're trying to just basically push it all in one update like I get it I do I think the best thing that you guys can you know say is if you're actually doing it and you're listening which I believe you guys are and that's it that's I mean like yeah at the end of the day that's what you know live streaming is we're here to talk to the chat they're here to just talk to us and you know that's kind of what the whole live streaming thing is right so great hey Aiden um you laugh at yo you know you you take a few breaks right you come back like stronger you know usually than ever um but you know when it comes to streaming you've been doing it a while now right like five years six years like what what truly motivates you like what genuinely motivates you when it comes to streaming like what actually makes you go like hey I want to do better like what gets you fired up you know obviously money was my motive for a very long time but I think now that I realized that like no matter what my family's good and I'm good I feel like now it all matters about kind of creating like I look at it as like unlocking like new [ __ ] so like for example the stream that I'm hopefully doing you know this week I think it's on some I think it's new it's fairly new um and I think that if I can find stuff that I genuinely enjoy and I genuinely love and I run with it that I could be consistent and I could do what I want to do there's one thing that [ __ ] me up every time that I'm doing great great great and no [ __ ] it's not lean okay not it's not lean for real it's when I gamble and lose a lot of [ __ ] money when I gamble it gets to me like it really does so [ __ ] up my whole motivation I'm like [ __ ] like now I want to hop on and do this that so it's like and look there's times where I'm like [ __ ] I just want to oh gam get my [ __ ] money back and [ __ ] like that but it's like [ __ ] but I realized money is not my motive anymore it's kind of just like seeing what other people are doing in my space are doing like oh [ __ ] so how do I how do I do that in my own way and how do I make something new out of it because at the end of the day bro I have to either find something like a goal or a motive or I'm gonna be stuck in a [ __ ] position where I'm like not doing [ __ ] which honestly right now is kind of what I'm on I'm ready to get back ASAP like me not streaming makes me want to go live cuz I'm seeing all the other [ __ ] having fun it's like that SpongeBob SquarePants meme where it shows uh him talk to away in the house and they're having fun outside that's how I feel right now I think another thing man is I watch a lot of people who were taking the [ __ ] that you were doing a year and a half ago right they're taking your format and they're build they continue to keep building on it right like that's what I see in the market when whenever I see I'm not going to name names but when I see other creators and other platforms doing things I was like [ __ ] this guy was having like one-on-one basketball Chris Brown like years ago man like this guy was doing crossover stuff years ago this guy was having like um this you're like the you brought like this Jimmy Fallon late night talk show Vibe but without the corporate media slant where you're bringing on talent that you want to hang out with you're seeing that exploding across you know every top streamer that's out there so when you see people like blatantly rip off your format like how does that make you feel like where does your head go from there you know um I wouldn't say it's ripping off I would say it's more everyone kind of bouncing off each other's ideas I mean like look everybody at this we're creators we have to figure out you know what works and I think what works is when you cross over with celebrities and all these other these people who have their fan bases and then their fan base makes your fan base and then they boom explode and have babies and have Clips everywhere that's the whole idea of it so to answer that question like I wouldn't say it's necessarily ripping off I would just say it's more like it makes this it makes the space bigger and honestly like the one person again that I kind of bit off of two is rice like rice is the OG if you're looking at somebody who's you know crossing over with these people that people this people he did it in a way where it wasn't big at the time but ricegum is like the ultimate OG and then you got ninja you know you got ninja that did the fortnite with uh you know Travis and Drake that one time and all these things so what I'm trying to say is the space is going to continue to bounce off each other's ideas is and form into a new form of entertainment which is streaming and I think people are going to still run with that and they're going to keep running with that but I'm happy because I see other people's live being changed from it if I'm look turning on I see somebody doing a stream with this person and I'm like and someone's like a already did this I'm like it's so stupid and ignorant to think that because it's like look at the end of the day it's still getting bigger and bigger and bigger it doesn't matter like I don't care if I want 100 people to do it I want everyone to get a rich and so they can take care of their families I want everyone to grow their following so they can take care of their families and change their lives around so I want everybody to take whatever I do whatever anyone does and I want everyone to just basically go along with that as well yeah so I got one more follow-up question to that like you bring up rice gum who's a great example of bringing on you know talent that He wants to hang out with how do you feel about like big companies like let's say Amazon that might take this format and kind of taint it right like bring on a talent to do a crossover guest appear parents for like a big corporate you know Advertiser that they might be I'm trying real hard not to name names here but like there's so many times where I take see your format that's happening on other platforms I'm like holy [ __ ] this is a DraftKings ad this is a massive DraftKings ad there's no way that this celebrity would be hanging out with this Creator unless this relationship was there so how do you keep from like media corporations totally that Vibe um well look like I said I think like at the end of the day it's if people wna you know get together for a cause like you could look I give an example when I did something with cardi I paid for it right me and Eddie had that conversation it made sense it made kick number one it [ __ ] went everywhere it blew up everywhere and cardi would never ho on the [ __ ] stream with me for free let's be real he wouldn't have done it so if it makes sense business-wise for people to collaborate with Brands and [ __ ] it I mean it is what it is look check this out I'll tell you the truth about all this [ __ ] this is how it is in my world we're [ __ ] streamers bro we're not anybody like we're not on some like crazy like hey you still owe me that money for getting scammed by C you gonna pay me that back [ __ ] no come get in blood G be [ __ ] scam man no I I'm sorry bro but look check this out though to go back on that like we streamers at the end of the day bro it's like if we if we were at one point just in our mom or dad's crib playing video games or doing streams to now doing [ __ ] DraftKings ads with uh with I don't know whatever the celebrity is that's awesome they're getting their money they're meeting these people they're making the content bigger [ __ ] you let them do it because now streaming is getting so mainstream that it's becoming a corporate entertainment business now it's getting even more and more like corporate and more mainstream it's going to get worse and worse and worse that's a problem that I struggle with though I could try to clean up for some Brands but then I'll see something that I want to speak my mind on I'm like all right I can't anymore I got to [ __ ] say some [ __ ] about this and it's like I get baited it's like I have no choice sometimes it's just like if I see some [ __ ] that really bothers me or I have to voice my opinion I'm gonna do it so um but to go back what you're saying I think brand deal or not collaborating is just making the whole Space bigger and everything bigger so yeah it's pretty crazy though yeah like you mentioned like with all these corporate Brands getting involved I think what live streaming is on the up and up right like it's just continuing to break barriers like I think what live streamers nowadays are just like aist celebrities almost like you know two three four years ago like that was not the case and it's insane but you know you talk about this CH changing landscape Aiden um I was mean to ask you like you know you you've done this for like five odd years right and you've kind of like almost like somewhat like grown up with your community right like how old were you when you streaming when you started like 17 um so yeah I I first started streaming when I was like 16 didn't work out and then I started streaming like when I was like 18 you kind of blew up just as you like you know quote unquote became an adult right like the the your community those people who were there from the beo have seen you kind of like you know go through these early sort of Ages of of you know just entering that kind of real world you know throughout this journey you as you kind of alluded to like you know you got to be careful what you say and stuff if there's anything you could change like if you go back like the this these few years like you know would there be anything You' Chang like in terms of how you've gone about things executed on it like is there any regrets at all or is it just been like [ __ ] it go along with the flow the saddest thing I realized about being um having a big heart in uh in my space is that there's a it's very hard to find someone genuine it's very hard I would say I don't even know bro I think I think in the beginning wanted to be best friends with everybody and I wanted to kind of just be like everybody's like I don't know I just never saw streaming as like it being so serious and so been to where it's an actual thing I just I don't know I feel like one thing I can say is I wish I enjoyed my come up more and you know because I feel like going back on the come up and enjoying it and appreciating it you'll feel better because you'll gain you get those rewards and you gain the rewards and you're actually getting to like feel it again and see it again so that and I think number two just maybe not trusting everybody I feel like I said there's not a lot of genuine people um to people and I'll be real I'm not genuine to a lot of people that's just how the space works it's a [ __ ] business at the end of the day it's like there's genu relationships I have this in this business and then there's not but most of them are [ __ ] in genuine but I look most people in my life right now would not be friends with me if I didn't have my name and my money it's just the truth and I've accepted that and that's okay so I think to go back on what I'm saying yeah it's just like I think just maybe not trusting as much and maybe just being more grounded and I don't know even I don't know bro feel like all that [ __ ] really matters should be more grounded with yourself as well keep your close ones close and your family close it's like number one you know yeah no I guess what you kind of like you're talking about that come up right like I guess it was pretty full on it was pretty quick right like as what 18 19 years old like kind of having to very quickly learn a whole bunch of of sort of life lesson that people typically you know get to figure out over the course of like 20 odd years you I guess you yeah you certainly end up learning on the spot and yeah naturally probably attract some incredible people but some pretty you know pretty I don't know pretty bad ones as well so I'm sure you've seen a bit right but well I take it at this point you're pretty well versed in kind of figuring out who's who for sure um my turn Aiden wants to jump he wants to jump in yeah I don't know I think um I think yeah go for you got you got some questions I do this one's for Santana it's a two-parter Santana why happen your mustache I shaved it after stockhole man for Thanksgiving my wife made me cut it off so um honestly man that thing was a son of a [ __ ] I could not eat Thanksgiving dinner with that [ __ ] on my face but uh yeah I cut it about a month ago I know chat thinks it was neon that it might have been you who had me shave it but it was straight up [ __ ] Thanksgiving dinner couldn't do it man yeah mustache man yeah mustache man all right look we'll get straight down to it bro because I'm here to just speak BR I don't give a [ __ ] who's watching I don't care Santana I heard you don't like me bro why don't you like me your Intel's flawed sir I love you man come on bro tell me what you guys you gotta keep it be with me bro we're on Live come on bro don't we don't got the pr [ __ ] I'm keeping an 100 with you man I think what you did with Trump [ __ ] flipped the game man and I tweeted out about it um in fact that was one of the only few people in the industry that tweeted out about it like directly let me tell you something else where I was before there was no way I was tweeting out about that man there was no way that I was shouting you out and saying hey this guy [ __ ] flipped it not only did I tweet it out I put it out on LinkedIn and linkedin's an entirely different game man I said what happened no matter with the politics the day that you did it the day after man on LinkedIn I said this guy squarely handed like Fox CNN all the big boys their ass man so um listen man I don't know where you're getting your Intel it might be from a couple people that might have been let go uh internally um that might have a beef but I'm letting you know man I'm on the [ __ ] Aiden train 100% thank you all right yeah you said it publicly so you cleared it up that's good thank you bro and thank you for that was very nice by the way what you did about the Trump thing thank you very much it's very nice of you thank you no no but not only that man like look from the jump because I was over on the other side too right and the other side's got their favorites man right for sure and so the thing is that the only reason I lasted at Amazon for as long as I did is because I just had good ideas that was it but I was a black sheep in those hallways man I never understood why we had a TOS that forced the average age of a streamer is 33 right now I never understood why we had a TOS that forced people to act like 14y olds man right facts yeah I never understood that I always said like if we just loosened up our t us we could become we could we could own the media space not just live streaming and then that's one thing that I told Eddie and ban when I came over I said I think we could be the Las Vegas of the internet man I think that we could be the HBO of this space while Nickelodean happening right if we just loosen up on our to just a little bit if we just let people act like adults so you guys think that the to is an issue I think kick TOS right now is very harsh I think you guys need to I know these guys are [ __ ] serbians and [ __ ] and they have to play All by rules but I think having an American or Canadian or something type of moderation team is what we need right now bro like the the I feel like the bands the kick moderation is very harsh I really do um I think when you guys when we first started a kick it was one of these things where it was like we're trying to basically give people a less strict Twitch in the beginning and I think we've lost that I think right now kick has a less or kick is more harsh than twitch's TOs and um I think maybe if we could just find a way to develop a better moderation system it could really do a lot it could really help I'm serious it we should really consider doing something to change the moderation system I feel like in my op it's just way too large seriously yeah I think I when it comes to Eddie you even Eddie you also tweeted that too I saw you made a poll and the poll won you know that it's too harsh yeah it's worth noting that even like I even with that poll right I think there was like 10,000 I can't remember exactly like 10,000 people that think it's too soft still right you know I I disagree with you when you say like kick is more harsh like we certainly are definitely looser in some areas I think it's just certain areas we had to get really strict on right I think there was some you know there there's some areas of moderation where it's just you can't even make jokes about it right you stuff to do with minor child endangerment stuff to do with of course you know that stuff is is tough right so we had to really clamp down on it um you know whether people were joking or not it doesn't really matter it's just something you don't about um you know I think when it came to the IRL content um you know Ki was kind of getting the bad name getting tainted with some people doing some crazy [ __ ] and you know we wanted to change that for the sake of all the other streamers on the platform we wanted them to be proud of the platform they streamed on so we started you know tweaking around and trying to find out where that kind of sweet spot is you know do I agree that some bands I'm like [ __ ] did we really need to do that all the time right I think there's so many times I'm like okay this is too harsh but then there's other times I'm like [ __ ] it's probably too soft so you know it's just a game of trying to figure out where that kind of Middle Ground stands I think you know to what Andrew mentioned before it's about allowing people to be adults so right I think you know when you kind of force people to act towards an age that is like you know of 13 year olds or whatever that's when things get way too strict I don't think we're at that point but is there certain areas that we can loosen up on 100% are we having those conversations we are um do we want to go back to the point we were at when kick first launched I don't think so either I think that was a little bit too loose so it's kind of this like you know I do we got to kind find this balance it's tough it's tough but like don't get me wrong that's the good thing about kick is like all it takes is a few conversations a few changes of policies and you know we can make those changes right we don't have to go to a board of directors or do a whole bunch of process to make these things happen we don't have like a directive that says you need to do this you know we're in control of this Destiny and we will make sure that we get it right and get it to a point which you know allows people to be proud to be on a platform that isn't tainted by like crazy um you know degenerate for a lack of a better word content um but at the same time allow people to really be themselves so it's ongoing it's ongoing and I think we'll find that middle ground I think we're primed to be able to fair enough I think if you guys are like you said Eddie you're already kind of trying to find that balance I think that's the most important part you're looking for the balance so as long as you're actually looking for the balance and you know you're you're y Aiden on that though what bands do you think are unjustified recently do you have examples yeah I mean I just thought of one like I'm pretty sure the chat can too so I'm not going to say what streamer there's a streamer on Twitch where somebody were they were playing like the German they reenacting as a German and they put up like the hand and then somebody did that over here and they got like a two we or three we ban but the person on Twitch didn't get a Bann at all so like that is like something I'm talk like something like that obviously it's a bad thing obviously like I don't [ __ ] with that I'm Jewish myself like obviously but like bro like that's just an example I could just like him up top of my head it's like and again like maybe like a quick little like take down that stream and explain to them on the call type of thing or like a text different but I feel like we gota we got to have something where like the moderation I they're doing so good but sometimes when you do so good it kind of ruins things you don't want it to be perfect you just don't you want to have it open a little bit but do you agree that like okay I I understand that situation kind of sucks right and it's a bit over the top but do you agree that like when you probably want to avoid those things kind of being a joke right you don't want people really joking about that kind of stuff it's just best to St clear the subject right I agree of course I think everyone should just be sticking free from that subject yes I agree but that circumstance I can think of another one too like I think there's a streamer named Derek I don't really know the full context so I'm just going to speak for what he made a TW like a video about he said something about like somebody like lied about being a minor and then he had their actual ID and he proved it and then he just completely got permanently I'm just thinking of something that like obviously like I know you guys don't [ __ ] with the minor [ __ ] you shouldn't at all because that [ __ ] is a nogo and any type of minor weird [ __ ] automatic indefinite I I'm on let's be real dere gr approached me at dream hack Dallas all right I'm pretty sure it was dream hack Dallas I sat down with him all right here here's another thing that happens right so like yeah we don't post videos right we don't post like hey this is why so and so got banned right what ends up happening is that a lot of streamers take the social media and they say this is what I got banned for which was not the thing that they got banned for like at all right like at all like totally different narrative so what I ended up doing with Derrick is I sat down with him and I said all right man I'm gon to show you the clips of the [ __ ] that you're pulling right all right I sat down with him I showed them to him I was like these are miners man we can't we can't be doing this well right and again I don't know if I saw it out of context but if they are minors then for sure it's Val that's what I'm saying it's like you know the story that's online is but I want to be real with you about like hey I'm some someone comes up to me I'm gonna have a real conversation with you I'm gonna like manto man right like hey let's pull up your Tweet sir this is what you're saying you're doing yeah this is what we got like you know what do you think should we take it a step further and post it should we be like hey actually this is why you got banned bro or you get what I'm saying I think actually having the public that's a great idea how about if it's a controversial ban no matter how big the streamer is have the have the public see it have the public react to it that's about things that's kind of cool maybe there's like another page called like Ki kick ban reveals I don't [ __ ] know some some like page [ __ ] and it's like go some goes public with like hey why to get banned it's like we kind of can release it there that could be kind of cool and then like use the public opinion to kind of gauge like hold on was this warranted or not that could kind of work because I think yeah like misconceptions around like why people got banned that's for sure it would be super cool that I could make that a segment when I'm streaming all right who's the that should be a sick segment look at look at the Aussie he loves it look at him look out look at him listen yes that that's what we're gonna do I'll make it a segment like once a week the most controversial band of the week and then we just [ __ ] we'll have my chat vote it could be like a whole big thing I'll give you another one that you could start out with right okay so neon recently okay let's talk about neon getting banned for the chicken thing all right so he got look I hunt I've seen worse things on Discovery Channel right like those [ __ ] Wilderness things yada y right but the thing that took the social media were these like little side clips right these little side clips what wasn't shown was the actual like picking a part of the chicken in real time which was pretty gory which was pretty bad right like it hung on the shot for way too long let me also make another thing clear to chat I don't make the decisions on these bands all right I just see them I come across right but my point is that the narrative on social media was oh this dude got banned he's just on a Survivor Island y y totally get that 100% but at the same time the clips of why he got banned weren't being accurately shown that speaks to the gore behind what was being done to that chicken okay I have a question cuz your chat saying it did Ice bid to really get banned for throwing an egg yeah that he did um got he got banned yeah was that the one where he was on a highway or was it moving cars or was he throwing eggs at somebody what was it hey so that was kind of like a case study of a of an internal meeting that kind of took place around moderation and you know I think it was uh it was a wakeup call it was a wake up call that hey look I think we're kind of going a little bit too far in trying to protect um you know trying to protect ourselves from Bad situations with IRL streaming um you know I think honestly ice Poseidon and a lot of what he's done these last 12 months has been amazing he's really set the standard for IRL streaming he's been super responsible just been like a great person he hasn't been invasive he hasn't like caused any issues like he just sets like a great standard of quality IRL content and yeah I think I think in that situation that like throwing the egg situation I don't think that was fair on ice took it well he didn't even give a [ __ ] he was like whatever like I understand but you know again I think you know we' got a whole bunch of stuff need to work on right and I think naturally like the moderation goes you know up and down in in kind of flows depending on circumstances but you know we're trying to balance it out that's for sure but uh I've said that i' I've said that so many times that iceid without iceid there's no kick as well I think um all CX knows that I think Eddie you know that I didn't give my flowers on the M rush I want to give it to ice he's the greatest IRL streamer of all time but he's done for stream he changed the [ __ ] game and what he's doing now doing this the you know the Hunger Games all these squ doing all the all that [ __ ] he's aite bro he's on a different level I love ice great [ __ ] guy great streamer he can make anything entertaining anything I had to bring that up because it just reminded me but taking a back real quick to the moderation aspect you know look you know we talk about neon that was like a five hour ban there was a conversation right like good luck having that kind of conversation on other Platforms in real time same thing with ice besid and the Egg thing right like our partners team immediately gets on the phone with you guys and been like all right where do we cross the line where did you cross the line what's reasonable how can we get you back on the air because Eddie has said this plenty of times we don't want to ban anyone like I certainly don't want to see like I was more so on the moderation team probably in the first 13 months of kick all right because there was only like there's only like 10 of us running it for like the first like four or five months right and then all a sudden we like you know so it was a little bit more of the Wild West uh but as the platform grows what I don't want to lose is those one-on-one conversations to be more reformative right where where your chat calls out a lot like we don't want to be twitch 2. 0 man go ban ban ban B hold on let's pause that right there I think that's what will make kick work stop trying to be twitch I think that's what the issue is when we're trying to replicate twitch instead of doing our own thing that's what always end up biting Us in the ass I think standard did not come here I for twitch 2. 0 I I I came here so that live streaming is the next mass media I'm talking about taking over live stream like Hulu Paramount [ __ ] Amazon Prime that's what I'm talking about I think that live streaming that's where my eyes at I'm not like I'm not I'm not trying to be twitch 2. 0 mixer 2. 0 [ __ ] YouTube gaming 2. 0 like I'm like our heads on in a totally different Stratosphere man yeah no for sure 100% I think that's a good point though right I think you know what what defines kick what makes kick and I think you know making sure that we can really identify with like hold on what's the point of differentiation and making sure we stick our guns to it because yeah just trying to replicate what's been done before is not the play at all and I think you know live streaming can go a really really long way I think with the right um you know the right flexibility to streamers so yeah I I I don't think for a second we want to replicate anything but yeah we we got some work to do in terms of you know finding that point of differentiation Aiden if I ask you what what is like you say don't become like twitch right you say like don't be like twitch what is the biggest issue with Twitch in your opinion oh I think like the moderation right I feel like when they could just ban people without like any type of call or face time or something like that like yo this why you got banned how do we go from here like that's an example I feel like the moderation it's we're too deep in bro we got to we gota like just take your take your foot off the break just I mean gas just a little bit and take a step back and let's try to like refigure things out cuz there's got to be a better system we can have I feel like it's just not fair I feel like there needs to be more understanding but I completely also see the other side of the fence what you're saying as well I think that stuff can't go too far I do see both sides I do I just think there needs to be a better balance like you said earlier balance is number one yeah got get that balance going on the note I probably know but what was the exact reason you got banned from twitch like so what was that the official reason I know it was like something I Loosely remember the story so back when um obviously kick first started I got banned for an unmoderated chat and the top right of my screen right it just had a bunch of like schwas and a bunch of T slurs and to all this [ __ ] right and I mean there's other subers that obviously have an un moderator in chat you can't moderate thousands of people you just can't right you can't so do I do I think that they ban me for that specific reason no I don't do I think they ban me that was just their way of getting me out of there so I wouldn't remote kick yeah I do but that's okay and look at the end of the day bro like I've accepted that and is what it is and um yeah but if you think you got banned just for like promoting kick is it why do you think like train and X haven't been banned I think train did recently just get banned actually he just recently got banned for something similar to that yeah I think they unbanned him after a couple days have birthday to TR Rex by the way I love you train I texted you but Happ birthday to you publicly I haven't been on [ __ ] stream or nothing so I Love You Train Happy Birthday 30 [ __ ] four years old insane [ __ ] I'm just kidding you're still young um but yeah bro that's the whole uh that's the whole twitch thing for me right but yeah man it is what it is no fair enough cool so dur real quick so during the unbanned campaign during the unbanned Aiden campaign from twitch like how did you feel about all the people coming out who was just six months ago three months ago two months ago saying leave Aiden on kick who rolling out the red carpet over there like how do you I think this goes back to what you were saying earlier in the conversation it's tough to have friends in this industry because they start being on team Aiden when when they see that you could do something for them does that make sense so one thing I will say that I've actually kofam sat me down and he talked to me about this he was like y Aiden think about your community your Twitter Community for example it's so toxic but it's because Aiden they see every clip of every streamer throwing shots at you that's why they're the way they are towards other streamers it's not because they solely hate and them just because they're bad people it's because the shots they sublimely throw you and that's what cff SAT me down and talked to me about it which by the way guys I still have 20 something days to bring that comb back um but I don't know if I'll bring it back just because I want to rebuild it I want to bring in people that are on this path to just kind of be like on some [ __ ] where we can keep elevating and I've said this so many [ __ ] times but like that's why my action is going to speak up louder than my words and I'm going to actually go down the right path and this time not going a [ __ ] out I'm going to stay down this path I'm not going to turn into no PG streamer like train Rex would say but I'm going to definitely take things back a little Notch just so I can get more and give people what they more want to see um I'll still speak my beliefs and what I truly believe in and my rights obviously uh everything but yeah bro answer your question T question to see people sublimely shade and then now they're happy and moments yeah bro I mean it's part of the game bro it's part of what what space we're in right we're in entertainment space so it's like at the end of the day bro as long as these people are cool with me one onone [ __ ] text and call me and [ __ ] and and check out about me and [ __ ] like that and I'm checking about them as long as we have a relationship outside of this [ __ ] and they can say what they want on stream that's why when I saw xqc and Kai today going at it I was upset because bro they're two genuine people and xqc is just a major [ __ ] Troll he's a major troll I know that's how Felix speaks and that's how he jokes but one on Felix is like the sweetest guy ever bro he's the sweetest he's a great [ __ ] friend and Kai's a great human being too he's a sweet human being as well so when I saw that made me mad it's like [ __ ] bro like it just not it just looks bad like that they're doing that because I know reality these are two really good people K has a big heart and so do X so that made me upset um but again bro it's like as far as the space goes like the people that I talk to off camera and I don't have to talk to every day but there people that check up on me and I check up on them and it's genuine they're good people and there's some but there's not a lot honestly there's not a lot and on that on the on the like Community stuff like he's people asking about that like I Know we' spoken about this Loosely but why don't you just like moderate it like find a middle ground like find just a little bit of a middle ground and get that Community back like I don't know I look at like of course you want it back of course you do with with you right like the biggest thing you've got right one of the biggest right but one of the biggest thing is like this crazy loyal following right this like insanely loyal following that like I don't think anyone will ever be able to replicate and now you I don't know I think keeping like the community alive just in some form even if it's just like a I don't know like you could be PG or whatever you want to call it but just keeping everyone together you know you got to keep that together like I don't know that was like again it was toxic towards me right but I was like [ __ ] that's cool like people like [ __ ] with you that but it's but it's cool until it's not cool until family gets harassed and all mental stuff goes down and people start to do things that like is not human and [ __ ] you know then it's not cool and then it's not worth it surely can get like a ban there right or like you know just get like I I've been trying to Moder moderate this thing for a long time and you got some of the best mods in the game right they could figure that out in like a minute well I didn't solely delete it for the actual purpose there's a few reasons I'll be with you there's a few and um look some people internally wanted me to you know fix you know to do it would help my future in some way so I said [ __ ] it we'll do it [ __ ] it and honestly it's the best thing for me too because if I can just some way make my my community mature wh me that's all I need bro I don't people don't want to [ __ ] be around somebody that has the craziest Community bro I have genuine people hit me up like yo why are they saying this [ __ ] and again like what C said is the other standpoint on it the standpoint is they just [ __ ] with you so much and they see everyone treat you like [ __ ] and talk [ __ ] about you but it's like at the end of the day bro it's like I don't give a [ __ ] and if I don't give a [ __ ] why do you give a [ __ ] because I don't give a [ __ ] I really don't I'm still gonna stream I'm still gonna do this [ __ ] are still GNA want me to collab with this person no matter what even if they hate them it's all bunch of fake so I like the community side of things where people are actually cool and they have lies the people that just sit there all day and they're negative I don't I [ __ ] with that bro I'm sorry I don't like that I think people got to stop being negative and just be happy and that's it bro I think it would be great if people could just be positive up coni I know you're watching coni can you please bring me a water bro I asked you like 10 minutes ago and it's not even on Old Serv servant [ __ ] Butler [ __ ] please bro it's hot as [ __ ] bro please I need a water yeah Andrew was like Andrew was talking about um well I guess kind of mentioning that you more or less like oh my God sorry Eddie what did you say thank you what's up Eddie hey com how's it good man up hope the Call's going good yeah we good we good okay what were you saying um [ __ ] what was I saying yeah oh yeah Andrew was mentioning like you kind of like whatever paved the way for a lot of streamers in terms of like you know content creation all that kind of stuff I know you've heard it a million times but have you thought about like what like surely You' thought about like an idea of kind of revolutionizing streaming again right is that kind of your goal to do that again like you know take things to another level and kind of re um sort of evaluate how you run your streams and kind of set that new new standard right like surely that's your kind of goal going forward I just think creating a bunch of new [ __ ] I feel like boxing for example was so great I got shut down because we didn't have the paperwork and legitimacy right but now we have everything so now it's like okay this is a goal mine it took me months to get the legitimacy for it and I actually was passionate about this [ __ ] when I lost the boxing because I got shut down due to not being um legal it broke my heart I was like damn I was really passionate about this is so [ __ ] awesome and this gives me a whole different industry to kind of tie down in and get bigger in when I was just at the recent UFC in Tampa Kobe comington versus Buckley the uh the commissioner of Florida walked up to me and he smiled and he gave me a handshake he says congratulations you finally [ __ ] legit and then I said you got to come my first event and it's like he's the one who handed me a card at UFC a year ago or is it was like yo Mr Ross this is a card basically saying you gotta basically get legit or we're gonna have to shut you down so that is an awesome moment for me that when my dad he walked her up to me and he just hands with that card or not well doesn't hand with the card but Shake shakes my hand it was awesome bro because now I understand it's like now that I have this [ __ ] I'm not GNA let it go this time I'm not going to take advantage because this [ __ ] is an automatic hit I think everyone loves fighting I think everyone's going to love the people that bring on and I think everyone's going to [ __ ] with it bro and I think it's something really special and I'm not going to let it go this time so creating more [ __ ] like that revolutionizing more projects like that is kind of what I'm going to get into not so much like the traditional desktop streams cuz I feel like those are awesome to do but I feel like they're not the best to do we talk about point so saturated it's so saturated though but even like the desktop streams when you're doing like your Discord stuff and that like I don't know there is like a good portion of people that [ __ ] with that right I think it's about like finding that medum between like the desktop streams and kind of just like interacting with that loyal Community but also that Medium behind doing crazy [ __ ] right like whether it's brand R bossing events or you know IRL trips all that kind of stuff which you know you're on the Forefront of but well the desktop streams they' still got they've still at a place right like I think you know there's certainly some great moments that come from you know just sitting back kind of you know taking in what's happened over the last week I don't know me personally like I've watched quite a bit of your streams and stuff and I think there's been incredible segments there like I don't know I wouldn't like discard the desktop streams as if they're like bad I think out of anyone who does desktop streams you do them pretty damn well right yeah I mean bro I have fun doing it if I plan segments it's a lot of fun but I feel like once you start doing streams that you don't have plans because you do have to plan my community be like oh watch you didn't do anything but then they'll be like oh [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is this [ __ ] so I don't want them to think that I want them every time I'm live they're like oh [ __ ] let's tune in that's the whole thing right I want them to be like oh [ __ ] in his live what's he doing today that's what I want so I had that and I've had that before and I think the way to do it is just kind of having my mind set on one thing and that's having fun I feel like when I'm forcing it and for example like my recing when I was forcing going live trying to go live 60 days in a row it's a force me I'm like I'm kind of miserable at the end it's like if I would have just basically you know did some [ __ ] where I would schedule it it'd be a lot smoother a lot better people would [ __ ] with it more quality over quantity I feel like at this point is very important to do in streaming especially when you're at somebody's level like mine or not even like mine I feel like any small streamer as well midst streamer whatever the [ __ ] it is you got to have some type of like quality to it to kind of basically stand out yeah well when can we expect the uh the brandr boxing to come back what you you've got clear you've got like we got a date yeah January yeah we're not going to miss a month we're going to go January through December no matter what so that's locked I'm not stopping a month for for brand R that's gonna be dope very excited so where where are you gonna stream that I don't know bro maybe twitch that oh that hurt your hard didn't it I love it nah uh we'll see bro obviously you know look now I'll be real I'm doing brand r f kick the Eddie you've been nothing but so right to me as a partner in this [ __ ] and you're great bro and you believe in brand risk and I know you want to see this [ __ ] go to the Moon I think we'll make something so big out of this bro leave with me leave it with to leave with the people that are gonna make this [ __ ] the next level and we're gonna yeah we're gonna do brand risk on kick on 1 million per no matter what brand risk will be on kick or that's the only way to do it right I'm there and we're going to make that [ __ ] even bigger and better I want to sell out venues one day with this brand risking [ __ ] I want to collaborate with UFC one day with this brand risk [ __ ] I want to take this [ __ ] to the next level bro so that [ __ ] is coming no matter what January no matter what on Kick oh yeah on Kick January brand R boxing Returns on Kick Love It what but you you I when when can we expect you to go live before that as well is that happening pretty soon or yeah so check this out right so uh pretty much why you not smiling bro damn the [ __ ] hell no this [ __ ] I'm going to be live very soon but Eddie knows something that Eddie knows something he knows something very very special that I think is coming up and I think it's gonna be the be awesome be great right Eddie that [ __ ] goes through I'm yeah I don't normally get overly excited about ideas I'm always like oh [ __ ] you know I've heard all kind of thing but like this one I'm like [ __ ] this is kind of cool right um I don't know I think it's going to be epic I think there's some I think this will be one of your better comebacks put it that way I know you've had some pretty epic comebacks but this is going to be up there so I'm looking forward to it 1 million perc well look bro um I haven't slept all night and I love this and I uh very happy that you guys are always doing this and you're trying to hop on and see ideas and stuff and I'm bound to do this again and um I want to let everyone know in this chat straight up I love all of you I miss streaming I really do um we're gonna figure this [ __ ] out Eddie's putting on this little stank face he's like I've heard this before um but uh we're gonna figure this [ __ ] out bro I'm gonna make this [ __ ] awesome 2025 I know I said this last year but we did pretty good just the breaks kind of [ __ ] me up but I'm going to make sure I'm not taking breaks we're going to lock and I just want to make sure that we set these things and make this [ __ ] happen and go crazy um thank you Eddie and I thank you uh um Santana as well I really appreciate you guys having me on um if is there anything else hey Ed real quick just to buar to hatch you with Aiden on my end because I want to make it 100% that way we got chat in here right I'm not here to be a blocker for you sir all right I've been here for two years right and I would have been a long gone a long time ago if I had an issue with you all right I want to let you know you got me Direct in Discord if you ever need anything man please just hit me up all right um the [ __ ] you've done has been amazing um I'm not here to get an Eddie way in Bon's way either right um if anything man I'm a facilitator I'm a grease man um and I'm just here to make [ __ ] kick explode man and I just wanna I want to make that 100% with you and Eddie man like like I didn't put my career on the line to come here to kick to do twitch 2. 0 I'm here to do something drastically different and I think you guys are the guys to do it with thank you for that man that was very nice to you Heiden Aiden it is absolute pleasure to chat with you as always man I think you know it goes without saying that this place kick as a platform you know has very much been moldered around you know what you brought to it the amount of creators the amount of streamers that have come on the back of this um is you know phenomenal I think um you know it's been pretty epic last two years I think you know given everything what 2024 I think there was some pretty [ __ ] crazy moments even 2023 like there was some epic moments throughout that as well right I think um you know the year ahead with what you've got planned what you've been telling me I think it's going to be awesome and I think you know all in all um you I think if we you know find some for ways to collaborate some things to work on who knows what that looks like exactly but I think there's some uh I think there's some pretty amazing stuff to come forward and you know look forward to sort of seeing what you come up with thanks Ed um Ed uh again thank you so much for that I really appreciate that um you guys got any Christmas plans or holiday plans what you guys doing I'm man taking it easy just chilling just got family around just the uh you know the same old stuff you chilling oh nice ni um well actually you know um it's Hanukkah and Eddie I'm going need you to send me some crypto otherwise you don't like Jewish people so um I'm going need you to just send me some crypto y um or you don't like juice right so I'll expecting my Hanukkah gift you have like three days I'm pretty sure you s me some crypto man I've seen like you've been sitting on a little bit too much of that man I think you're doing too well you said doing pretty good I am doing pretty good all right guys look chat God bless everybody hope everyone has an amazing start to 2025 amazing Christmas Monica K Quanza whatever it is thank you both for having me and thank you to this chat thank you so much I [ __ ] love everybody in here I love everybody all right guys peace uh not all right see the [ __ ] do I hang up on this Mexican setup hold I swear to got my I got it I got

got my I got it oh [ __ ] I lost did he say Mexican setup I think he did yeah I think it's he taken a it's a joke a Cony I thinky right yeah yeah yeah yeah he's a cony's house I think that was like the most serious conversation I've ever had with Aiden he was like full locked in on serious mode it was good though he's it was a good conversation a great a really great chat um he was it was different man it was different it was good it was business yet like um it was reasonable you know no straight up straight up I think um I think what Aiden was talking about in terms of what he's got coming up this week though is going to be [ __ ] cool like I don't know I genuinely don't get too um too excited around like upcoming plans but like [ __ ] this is going to be cool really great so I think if there's anyone who who's maybe tuning in and and you know a big Aiden fan I think this week is going to be probably up there in one of those most epic moments so yeah definitely looking forward to that I mean but like bigger than what we saw with Trump man like I mean talking I don't think it's on that level it's not that level right it's different it's different it's going up there it's going to be up there I reckon I don't know we'll see we'll see it all comes down to the execution but I think with the foundation it's been laid like I think I think there's you know that a lot that can come from it so uh I don't know I can't say anything yet I'll leave it to Aiden and you know everyone else involved to kind of announce it but so what are your overall thoughts on what he was talking about on like moderation the poll that you put out there like the balance that we're trying to find like um I think me personally I think we're Nimble enough to adapt and I think that that's a massive um a massive advantage that we have across other platforms man yeah I listen I've got my own opinions on it right I I've tried to stay out of moderation a little bit H you know I I stopped getting to involved with it because it was I don't know maybe it's just the way I operate I like more logical sort of approaches to things and you know moderation is anything but logical sometimes it's just it's complicated right it's like you know there's so many different aspects to it and so many different facets that you have to keep in mind um so you know I kind of moved away but I I defin I definitely think like we kind of you know these last sort of 3 4 months on Ki it it's definitely lost sight of what made it really exciting like Ki was really that place sure it got some bad headlines but like I don't know me personally I don't care about headlines right like you know again there's the DX zeros there's the drama alerts there's the you know whatever I you know I personally don't care when one of them sort of like frames kick is being this like really bad place I understand why it's really important to make sure that other people on Kick don't feel bad about being on it but at the same time I think I think that you know having that point of differentiation is important right and I think when you push moderation too hard and you start suffocating out a lot of creatives it does have a downside um to it so you know I think we can do so much better and but the good the thing that makes me so happy about all that stuff is because I know it's so easy for us to change it right there is no directive from like a parent company up there saying like you must do this like you know the changing of these situations is as simple as just going hey look this is what the community wants the difference with kick is it is 100% Community Driven it's not Advertiser driven it's not shareholder driven it's not you know driven by whatever it's literally driven by the community right and a lot of the changes in moderation were based around you know streamers saying we want better moderation we want more you know terms of service or uh community guidelines to protect the platform from being tainted in a certain way so a lot of it was you know Community feedback so that's the thing that's the beauty about kick it truly is made by streamers for streamers and and everything we do is based upon feedback so you know if the community says hey look we want things to be looser [ __ ] we'll make them looser if they wanted to be stricter we'll make it stricter so there is no directive from up top it's about just you know keeping finger on the pulse understanding what's working what's not working and just aiming to do better so yeah I think there's a lot more that can be done on that front I think we can get ourselves in a good position um but again it just takes time it takes time to find that balance so I think it's interesting yeah man you know things that you look for in a conversation especially a conversation like with Aiden you look for things being reasonable right when we were talking about moderation you know he said his point but then he also said hey but I also understand what you guys are faced with I understand I see your guys side of the story so as long as I continue to hear that level of conversation back and forth where you understand what our guys in Serbia and Australia are trying to maintain then we're always going to listen and adapt also right so um but that's one thing that I just want to also say is like are look the team in Serbia like these guys and girls man are unbelievable people they're the the level of support they give on a 247 basis like a live chat bases is unparalleled right so it's as kick continues to explode like handling that kind of volume and moderation it's going to take time to evolve but we're evolving it isn't like this one size fits-all moderation and the the team in Serbia uh adapt really well man yeah no 100% I think we've got we got the tools and the foundation um to make that to make that happen hold on I think someone might want to be joining the callner in a sec hold on um got a surprise guest yeah we got a surprise guft um yeah no I think we can move it around I think there there's hes of room there's h room right it's just a matter of having conversation I think we maybe went too far in One Direction or too far in another but we're balancing it out um but I think again the most important thing is what Aden mentioned is all those small things whether it's [ __ ] Channel points whether it's kicks whether it's it's a better app and all that kind of stuff like that is the thing that kick [ __ ] up the most right and it needs to be done when you use kick like the best the best product I I say that all the time um but like that that's kind of key um hold on yeah I think that's I think um I think that that's key is to get the um you know to get the product in the right place but the rest is all kind of just you know moving certain parts around right it can all be all be achieved all of that is dak's fault what did dpack do wrong D dpack is great is Ki being hostage by government Outreach no Ki ain't being held I don't think Ki doesn't really obviously there there's obligations from like law enforcements all around the world for us to kind of do certain things but it's not it doesn't like moderate it doesn't like in have any influence over our terms of service or our community guidelines that is completely independent like kick is genuinely 100% independent like I can't say the same for for like you know any other social media website side I think it's like literally whatever is best for the community is the direction we'll take W edx aen need once a month yeah maybe you should have Aiden on these Calles more often I think you know X and train it would have been great to have train on as well for this this call but I think you know I it'd be good to I think these kick talks like using him as an opportunity to bring on like not just smaller creators but like some of like the really large ones too is like the greatest opportunity to kind of get a you know pulse check on whether where the SCS at I think there just there really is just so many different voices so many different opinions that we have to try our best to C it towards and I think it's super important to keep it you know across the

board hey look who it is all right hey HDE how you doing oh hey now you can hear me Eddie I have something very important to say yeah what do you have to say okay I don't know if I mean obviously you can just pass this message to Aiden when you get the chance if he can't hear this but listen I went through the same [ __ ] that he's going through okay years ago I had one of the biggest reddits in the entire world I had 10,000 people on it live 247 like it was [ __ ] massive and it was like really toxic and this and that and I deleted it because I was trying to like get back on Twitch and like other people told me delete it it's toxic it's not good blah blah I was trying to change people's opinions and have them want to hang out with me the same [ __ ] he was saying and I realized nobody gives a [ __ ] the opinions never changed and when you lose the power of your community by shutting it down people don't respect you anymore in this game so you he doesn't want to do that and he even said it the people around him probably wouldn't be around him if he didn't have money and fame so I don't know why he listening to people like that he needs to listen to somebody who has the experience and I've been doing this [ __ ] for 10 years and I've got the experience and it's a huge mistake if he keeps that [ __ ] deleted yeah no it's interesting take right I think what deleting that will almost again I'm sure it'll live on right but it takes away from like the of like that you know the following right and you just end up having enemies on all sides you end up like I guess what sometimes when you try to appease everyone you appease no one right I think is something you know I've certainly leared in the streaming world is you know you kind of just got to pick a side and stick with it right if you try to make everyone happy you know ultimately it's kind of yeah it ends up being a rough decision I mean exactly but and it's like even if the viewers can be a little toxic they're the ones who are on your side 100% you know these other streamers these other people that are giving them their the these opinions they haven't been through it they don't understand and they're not on his side they're just saying what they want to hear and they they're going to not give a [ __ ] but Aiden's going to be the one dealing with the consequences uh and then his own Community is going to hate him as well so you know what you said makes more sense and he's to just moderate it that would be the best thing do but fully deleting it is just it's going to make Aiden like he's going to regret it he's going to he's it's going to make him lose a lot of community power that shamers need to succeed but real quick do you think it's really deleted man do don't aren't they just in isn't this isn't Discord the master spot right like can't X Pages be torn down put back up and and these guys can rejoin in a heartbeat like you me relationship like than that right I mean you got to think about it okay I have one of the you know biggest streamer discords out there like I have you know 990,000 people in my Discord and if I were to make a new Reddit it would not even come close to what it was before you know before I had 250,000 people on Reddit and that reaches the mainstream you know what I mean Discord is a very hidden thing that is for the core community so that doesn't reach the mainstream that doesn't Reach people outside the community so no you know you're going to lose people every time you make a new you know Community page or you know whatever so um yeah I mean no so what speaking from experience here I like if you had not deleted that Reddit Community back in whatever year it was like what do you think it would made a substantial difference to where you are like today yeah I mean if I never deleted that Reddit I mean you know I would have not had such a huge hit on viewership and you know relevancy ye you know years ago when I deleted it you know like that Reddit was the thing that was keeping me a flow when I got banned on Twitch that Reddit blew my YouTube up you know it blew up my community it made me go mainstream outside of live streaming you know what I mean so uh you know it was a huge mistake for me to delete that um so I you know I just see the same mistakes that he's making I made you know when I was 25 yeah no it's super interesting I know I think I I kind of like you know I brought that up on that talk then but I think would' been lucely speaking about it as well because I think you know you can have like your streaming platform and stuff but like as we know like that that's kind of unreliable sometimes right like you know you can get banned and stuff like having like a core Community like located on like whether it's Reddit or you know X or wherever it is like you know being able to fall back on something else that you rely on outside of like these streaming platforms or YouTube and stuff because you know reach there is complicated it's like it's truly unique that you're not like kind of in that position of having to be super Reliant and yeah kind of cutting that off completely because you know someone said hey look that's a good idea is I don't know I kind of it like a business right like a business has value based on many different aspects right it's brand it's its operations it's you know all these different areas like you know when I kind of look at Aiden's brand I look at his community and specifically that like ex Community I'm like okay that's like a certain perent of his overall brand right and by deleting that is just like shutting down um you know a whole bunch of value right um which is probably the same way you know you probably end up figuring out when you deleted your Reddit like it kind of affected your overall brand and you know the whole ice Poseidon and you know your reach right so oh well I know we'll see what happens I have a feel in that Community will come back though I have a feeling it will uh maybe with your wise words as well it can help get that across the line I mean hopefully yeah I mean it's uh it's very valuable to him so if he just moderates it it'd be better but to be honest but you you've tried like moderating your community quite a bit right ice like does it work yeah well okay you know my community was far more toxic than Aiden's Community to be honest so uh it didn't really work but my community was also older so they're kind of more degenerate you know I feel like Aiden's viewers will be more accepting of moderation because they're kind of you know like younger so I don't think they care that much uh they're not as degenerate so um yeah I mean I'm sure it would work I mean if you just if you moderated enough eventually they'll just have to like you know go with it it's like they really have no choice yo I don't know man I think your community's come around man I mean like you think that they're more toxic then you who's got the most toxic Community out there in your opinion oh I mean right now my community is not tox not like super toxic no but I'm saying like back then it was super [ __ ] toxic you know but you know I mean I but this like yeah okay me you know I have rebuilt my community and it has like helped it not be toxic but I've also lost a lot of you know power in the mainstream right and that's it's not worth it you know what I mean I'd rather just have the more toxic Community uh because it was not going to be like uh something that was detrimental to me you know what I mean um CU I can handle it like my mental fortitude is huge you know nothing really affects me but um you know my friends just didn't want to hang out with me but like they're not really my friends anyways then if they're really affected by that I guess what those same people you kind of like were looking to AAS what are you friends with them nowadays or I mean no most of the people that I called friends back then that I you know felt bad that they want to be on my streams they're not I'm not even friends with them anymore so it doesn't even matter um and you know nowadays I'm mostly friends with streamers you know that you know people that I stream with so if they can't handle it then they just can't be a streamer and I don't really give a [ __ ] so you know what I mean it's uh yeah I don't know friends come and go very fast in this industry so I've come to realize to not really care about their feelings as much because I in five years 95% of the people I'm with I'm not going to be with yeah no I guess that's what the harsh reality of streaming hey I just quickly we're speaking about moderation stuff I know you've got like a super strong opinion on this um we're kind of like mentioning like some specifics around moderation that were maybe like previously a bit too harsh like I don't know what's what's your opinion on kind of where kicks at on that front and what do you reckon should change and you know do you have maybe some examples yes so you know you said that you got a lot of community feedback from people who wanted stricter moderation but you know I in my opinion I mean I don't know who's giving these the feedback here but you know I think a lot of people they don't really know what they want and they are just like oh people are talking [ __ ] on Twitter we have to make kick not seem so bad but like the people talking [ __ ] on Twitter they are twitch you know viewers they are twitch streamers they don't have the genuine care for kick they don't give a [ __ ] they want kick to look bad no matter what happens right it doesn't matter how much moderation you do it doesn't matter what how many [ __ ] Charities you donate to it doesn't matter people will always talk [ __ ] about kick because it's going up against twitch and these people that rely on Twitch for money and you know a career will never be on kick side so you can I don't think it's ever wise to accommodate those people um you know like the people who responded in your Twitter post saying that moderation needs to be harsher those people I think are twitch viewers who don't care about kick they want kick to fail and they're purposely voting for that so kick fails you know you can't ever go you can't go with the crowd that already hates you know what I mean it doesn't work I've tried that it doesn't [ __ ] work I tried to get on ban on Twitch you know for years it doesn't work they will always judge you no matter what because they they'll hold on to the Past they'll hold [ __ ] over your head it just doesn't [ __ ] matter you know you got to just build your own like kick needs to just build its own path and grab people that support the vision that that's in my opinion the best right of passage yeah I think it it's like yeah certainly pretty easy to get caught up in some of those headlines and I think like you mentioned like whether it's Twitter X whatever that you know starts to get real loud about stuff it is definitely hard to disseminate between like the noise and the genuine concern and the people who yeah maybe don't have like the best interest of the platform in mind then you know I think yes certainly we are probably guilty of maybe getting caught up in those headlines a little bit at some points in time and I think you know moving away from that is something I certainly have been like pushing for a little bit internally is like hey we need to like [ __ ] turn off our Twitter I think I talked about this on uh like my the kick talk last week I was like I've stopped using that well not stop but like pretty much stop using that platform because no matter what happens like it's just [ __ ] full of negativity right like I don't think anyone wants to see anyone succeed on there and if you just end up making decisions based on that it just you're [ __ ] if you do [ __ ] if you don't kind of situation so you just got to kind of like choose where we want to go and stick to the guns right if you try to like you know p give it because you know X Y and Z said this and then so and so said that and you know you're just going to be chasing your tail for eternity right so you know I think that's the best thing the kick has and it does have that flexibility to be who it wants you know like we have the opportunity to say like this is what kick is going to be and this is what we want to allow don't want to allow and be open and transparent about it and then say hey look if you want to be a part of this if you don't have to be and I think um you know maybe that's kind of what's needed is just like a very honest conversation about what we want this place to be because I certainly don't think you know attempting to be exactly what twitch is the idea right that that would be dumb like that'd be just you know suicide for the platform but you know trying to be you know for example just like completely Lawless as well like sure that won't work either right but yeah I mean of course you don't want to be completely Lawless you know I mean you're a businessman you have kick you wanted to do well you wanted to have advertisers one day you know you have you know stake other whatever other businesses that you also have to protect you know and you know because you're the CEO of the companies so it's like you know I understand your position as well but you know without it being Lawless there is a path where it can be you know you can ban people who are doing [ __ ] up [ __ ] and not you know going down the twitch route at the same time um you know it's not hard to compete with twitch's to because their to is [ __ ] terrible so you know it's like then Banning people who do the illegal [ __ ] or like super harassing [ __ ] I mean that is you know a no-brainer so it's like you know it's a very easy path to find but it's also risky because people are gonna continue to attack kick you know more and more as you go down this path but you have to fight through it right it's you know it's the risky path but I think it's the only path to be honest for kick I think if you go too hard on the moderation it's just too similar to Twitch and then yeah if it's too Lawless then nobody respects the platform so you know I think currently the moderation is you know a little bit harsh but if you just go back to where it was at the beginning I think that would be the best thing for kick and people can still respect the platform and it's not you know twitch's to so people have a you know better place to go if they don't want to get banned for no reason um but you have to be willing to accept the risk that comes with it you know the [ __ ] talking the [ __ ] clickbaits on Twitter the all this [ __ ] you got to just stick to your guns and just be like hey you know we're not [ __ ] up but we you know this is who we are and this is our these are our values yeah what you're saying makes look what you're saying is making a lot of sense however you know the only place I'm going to disagree with you is like where kick was at the beginning all right because like look I think there's been a lot of growth and I'll give you an example like I think a positive pivot for kick was the riot LOL moment right where we were like holy [ __ ] we got to protect kids we can't [ __ ] with miners we cannot we cannot go down this road right so like I just want to get like really side baseball with you because I don't know that you want to go back to that era because there was a lot of just craziness that came out of that there was a lot of unveiling for us there was a lot of moments where we said holy cow we got to look as long as you stay away from like hate speech genocide and freaking minorities and as long as you don't like hate raid Brigade other communities I think you're going to be okay on Kick um you know there was and then one other thing I'll leave you with uh and ask uh because someone was saying in chat he goes streamers are scared to do IRL with the latest way that moderation is happening I just want to see if you feel that way um going up on Kick I mean I might be a little biased because you know I maybe people think you know I have like more leeway than other streamers but I mean I'm not scared to do IRL and I you know most of the stuff I do if I did on Twitch I would get banned you know you were banned for throwing an egg and then you're really I wonder who did that oh [ __ ] man that that incident what was your thought off that happened I mean I get it I was on the highway I was driving threw an egg I get it it's dangerous you know understandable you know what I mean it's I'm not even upset about that that's my own fault but um I think it would have been better to get a warning because before that I was throwing eggs for days and you know I wasn't banned so it's like a warning would have in my opinion been more warranted because then I would have just stopped and then my community wouldn't have been like oh you know [ __ ] kick and like all this other [ __ ] so you know that would have been like the best action to go for I think and then you know and he gets the same message across without any of the downsides um and you know back to use Santa Maria yeah the um obviously we don't want racism and you know I don't know what the riot LOL stuff is but anything with miners yeah that's obviously you know we don't want that um you know that's I mean that's partly the reason why twitch doesn't have you know like Chat Roulette um you know allowed on their platform because it's too difficult to moderate you know it's you can't watch every single person 100% of the time and then that's where you get these bad clickbait [ __ ] clips you know what I mean yeah no I think it's just those individual clips that end up yeah taking like the full toen up but I think I think as mentioned Aiden that kind of egg situation right it's kind of funny the way it's kind of phrased but um yeah I think it was definitely kind of a turning point for us internally to go hold on a second I think we might actually be like suffocating the ability for people to make great content I think that's the biggest upside that we have right is it you know on the back of being able to be a bit flexible like amazing content can live right because yeah like you were saying before like a lot of stuff you've been doing recently these last sort of 24 months or however long it's been um you know probably wouldn't be allowed on a lot of places right and if you're able to do this you know with ease and have conversations when things are kind of getting into hot Waters it's just so much more powerful but um yeah is there any other recent bands like in the IRL section that you kind of disagree with us um I mean I don't really keep track of like everybody's bands um I mean I nothing that I can think of off the top of my head I mean I guess yeah Neon getting banned for the chicken I don't think he should have been banned for that I mean it's just a chicken and like I get it you know you don't want torture animals whatever but I mean it's just a chicken and chickens are meant to be eaten so I mean and he's on a survival island and it's like you know on YouTube you search decapitating a chicken it's you know it's you can watch a video so I mean I don't know

[ __ ] like that speaking of which yo we got him on hear me we got neon on H can y'all see me we got you man where you at you're you're in airport right now yeah was good Eddie was good man was good ice I was just saying he wasn't a big fan of the chicken band hey to be fair the chicken band actually um I think that was like the AI moderation for like catching Gore like that was uh like we've got this AI moderation stuff to like make sure we like get porn and all this kind of stuff like off the platform real quick like the AI moderation did not like you taking the feathers off the chicken it got really angry um no I want to talk about that real quick but um first stuff I wanted to say um you know Eddie directly I apologize for you know some of the stuff I said about um the kick Awards you know I didn't mean that what I said but the only reason I said that is because that um I mean the nicest way possible that [ __ ] came from me for no reason so I just felt the need to violate her but I have nothing against the kick Awards it's amazing I hope you know whoever wins and you know um nothing against that but I just want to talk about the ban uh mustache I know you said like I got banned for pucking the feathers and stuff but um first off Eddie said it was Ai and stuff but the reason why I was so mad about the ban is because I had the whole stream plann first off like I feel like on kick like other than ice and a few other people everyone else is just sitting on their ass doing like absolutely nothing and like I'm making an effort I'm going from [ __ ] country to Country doing all this [ __ ] working my ass off spending all this money out of pocket like trying my [ __ ] hardest to put on the best content ever and like I'm doing a 24-hour stream the stream is going well as [ __ ] right and when I sit there and I get banned for the dumbest [ __ ] ever and I made sure not to show anything like I'm showing a I know mustach you said that like it's like gory to show me pulling the [ __ ] off the chicken but it's not bro it's a dead chicken you can go to [ __ ] Walmart and see that so like it was [ __ ] and like honestly I was pissed as [ __ ] and by the way Eddie nothing against you um without you kick wouldn't be anything you're the [ __ ] best owner ever um I just feel like some people came in who just don't know what they're doing at all whatsoever but um regarding the band I just feel like it was really it was really crazy and then it took like it took some time to get me back and then at that point my whole stream was [ __ ] the flow was [ __ ] of it everything we had planned segment on segment of course like we had some [ __ ] scripted [ __ ] and all this [ __ ] planned everything got ruined and I just sat on the [ __ ] Island till 6 a. m. with like 50,000 mosquitoes like biting my dick every second it was crazy I was just sitting there depressed as [ __ ] like it was really sad but I just feel like I wanted to speak CU I know you guys were talking about the moderation I think the moderation is just completely [ __ ] like the reason why Ki was so good and why I love kick so much is cuz we could do whatever the [ __ ] we wanted obviously I wouldn't go around saying crazy slurs I don't do that like I fixed my brand so much compared to what I used to be but I still get banned and I still like see so much [ __ ] happen and like by the way tfue literally [ __ ] shot a pig on stream and you saw the pig died the pig was slowly dying on stream and absolutely nothing happened to him I got banned for [ __ ] trying to make content like it blew my mind like it generally made me pissed bro but it has nothing to do with you Eddie you know I love I'll forever be on Kick for the rest of my life but I feel like a lot of people have special treatment I didn't get put on the front page and so I had to say something instead they got some [ __ ] big titty [ __ ] streamers with only fans links and [ __ ] like it just I don't know I feel like I have to speak on it and I just feel like it's a lot of unfair [ __ ] and I don't know if it's mustache I don't know who it is but I know it's not you Eddie and it's not ail it's none of that and I know mustache you cut your mustache cuz of me bro and um you look a lot worse now I did I kept it in jar and I wrote neon on the jar uh and I dyed it I dyed the mustache hair I dyed it blonde in honor of you that's how much I think of you um look man I didn't ban you bro um to assume that people uh just have a vendetta against you uh is very streamer of you I didn't ban you man all right here's the deal all right um I agree with you I think that there's wor things that been done on Discovery Channel I think there's worse things that have been shown um I didn't ban you though uh coming after me ain't gonna fix it at all um having a reasonable conversation will right and we can adapt but here's the other thing man like um I the day that you flipped out about front page I front I suggested that you for get front page which is wild hey I s that picture right I sent you that picture correct here's the other thing here's the your Intel is busted all right I think you're just horny bro no I think you're horny cuz all I see is you and [ __ ] chats bro you're horny bro you're a horny man you're I get it I'm horny too we're all horny I'm horny bro we all got dicks you just got to beat your dick instead of going I don't think that's fair quite fair I think uh I think there's what about 50% of the platform is female right like come on by the way Eddie there got nothing do with you the [ __ ] you did on Kick is amazing bro you blessed me so much you changed my life I love you so much like dead ass bro like I owe you the world bro thank you so much I came on Kick averaging 1,000 2,000 views whatever bro now look at me it's all because of you bro and I really appreciate you but this mustache guy is just crazy bro but hey hey the mustache is Gonna Come Back DED it's gonna be frosted tips it's gonna be called the neon stash man it's going to go hard yeah a man yeah but um you know what I'm saying I just think there's a lot of you know changes that need to I hope you guys do it but I think the first change is firing mustache other than that a great path you know kick is amazing it's going to keep growing prospering I hear Aiden's coming back we [ __ ] need him so bad but uh once I mean honestly BR at this point hire a [ __ ] homeless guy over this guy on the moderation Team bro or ice bro like this guy knows what he's talking about bro I know you talk [ __ ] about me and stuff bro but you're a [ __ ] great ass set to kick bro you actually try like you try bro you try your ass off you go work your ass off do IRL strs [ __ ] try your hardest to put on for kick just like do bro but the people that get [ __ ] commended are the people that sit on the slots and and don't do [ __ ] when I'm trying so hard I just want to clarify that I've never talked [ __ ] about you as a person I just have talked [ __ ] that there have been viewbots on the stream yeah know and you can say whatever you want and you know I don't you can say every everyone talk [ __ ] I've been talk [ __ ] on my whole life I don't care on that it's just the fact that I don't know man I feel like I'm not I'm not as respected as I should be not Edie but just by everyone else and just want to clear one thing up right I think like I know Andrew's mentioned this and I will I will say this to you like open and honest like yeah Andrew's um not leading the moderation side right I think the moderation side is certainly um something which has evolved on the back of lots of different opinions within the company right and I think you know we're starting to understand hey look where do we want to be and we're starting to reevaluate exactly that right so you know I again I think you know blaming Andre for the moderation influence I think if anything Andrew a supporter of exactly what you're looking for right I and I will say that genuinely um and yeah I just want to Qui the [ __ ] is going on in this airport holy [ __ ] bro it's like a bomb going hold on are we good how many more minutes do I have one SEC we about a board I'm about to miss my flight so I got how many more minutes y how many minuts do we have okay all right um yeah no I just think he heavily influences all the bands and what happens because he's all on their ears and stuff but I think it's just because Andrew's on Twitter heaps right I think Andrew like posts a bunch of tweets and and then subsequently gets like yeah friend but I get where you come from but I'm telling you that's not the case it's not the case at all well I mean realistically I mean in my opinion you know I mean I think you guys are doing a great job but I you know you got okay Andrew you said you're not doing the moderation right I listen I haven't done the moer guys I haven't been on the moderation team in like 13 I haven't banned someone in like 13 months I was so what are you I was on the moderation team you haven't done the moderation but you are the head of moderation right now right that I am not the head of moderation no so what do you do you guys think that moderation is the only [ __ ] thing a live stream platform does no like here's the thing what do I do okay so the most recent stuff is probably wrapped up dream Hack renegotiating That for 2025 got the game awards over uh to on Kick um so yeah like look bro well my point was going to be that if you're the head of moderation or whatever you guys you know you were like of kick or one of the heads of kick if you're your guys int whoever is your mustache was [ __ ] that's why you cut it off you in the girl chats you in girls chats gifted and thought you were going to get [ __ ] and you sh your mustache cuz one of the girls told you to and you still look ugly as [ __ ] this is what you do I got to go on my flight Eddie I love you so much it's one quick fix bro I love kick is on top I [ __ ] love kick one quick fix fire this [ __ ] he sucks he's milking your money you're not you could get a you can get [ __ ] on fig in La for $100 bro I'll send you where to go I got you bro have a great day God bless Eddie I'm sorry I didn't mean to come off like that speak my mind I love you I was also really mad because I lost so much money on the island but you know what bro money grows on trees I don't give a [ __ ] I'm not here for money I'm here to actually grow on the platform I can't grow mustache here mustache I love you too but you're a piece of [ __ ] have a great day later I don't love you you're a piece of [ __ ] later well [ __ ] that was interesting yeah [ __ ] that got hit it real quick I think kick talk has gone unhinged it's uh it's lost all uh no that was some content right there that was some good content no Andrew I'm not gonna lie Andrew is some of the best content I've ever seen in my life your responses is are so ridiculous that they make me [ __ ] bust out laughing like bro when you had the must if you had the mustache right now oh man dude you would be like top your [ __ ] content bro with the [ __ ] that you say I appreciate that I appreciate that no but in all seriousness it's good that after Aiden comes on guys like you and neon come on and means you guys care which is massive yeah you know my point was and that what my the point I was trying to make anyways was that if you know if you're involved heavily with kick if you're not agreeing with the moderation you know you should involve yourself with it and like give them some guidance you know I think yeah moderation can be guided from so many different angles right like when it comes to moderation of a platform like just having an opinion on stuff can start to influence like the direction a company goes on it becomes like a you know I think it's everyone's responsibility even if you're not directly involved in moderation it's your responsibility to kind of you know help push things in the right direction as a platform like I think everyone whether they're involved in actually clicking that ban button or not you know everyone's going to sign up and agree to what the vision of Ki looks like because you know the the moderation how it's moved has been based not just around the moderators are just doing the job like they're kind of like they're given like ban for this long if this happens like they've got a list of like a thousand things almost that like what you do and what you ban on and that list changes based upon you know the way people start socialize internally so you know I think you make a really good point I in the sense that like it doesn't matter where you sit and what your kind of daily Duties are you know everyone should hopefully have like the same idea of where things should be and help kind of influence it in that direction so I think we got some work to do on that front but yeah uh I mean I would only suggest hiring like maybe at least one person that is in the office in Australia in the kick office that sits around everybody and is like you know you guys are all real close with each other and then he will guide the moderators in Serbia right I mean that's you know my opinion on what I think should do should happen because then he can have the context of different streamers and be more in the know and then he can provide the context to the moderators I think that would be you know beneficial I mean I don't know how the how it all works I don't know what system you guys have going currently but you know it's just a an opinion the chat's saying they bring ABS on the call that actually might not be a worst idea should we have abs on for a second if we we've gone all out we've gone completely off script he's se's he's a trusted opinion now he's outside the gate maybe he can speak on it yeah let me bring him on wait Andrew I ask you one thing yeah ma' can you for just for me can you grow back your mustache and then we do a stream together where I have TTS on yeah sure man yeah you just give me a good maybe two and a half three months uh and I think I can get it back for you but um yeah no look I had to get rid of the mustache cuz Thanksgiving dinner was just I shaved it right after Stockholm man my wife just was not having it man uh for Thanksgiving the whole thing but um yeah man this will be the third time I grown it out so for you ice I think I can do that man I appreciate that like you come off as like you're like kind of awkward so it's you're hilar you're like unintentionally [ __ ] hilarious well I think that that's the best hilarious right yeah like you I don't even know you're like [ __ ] who to compare it to you're like uh who's that one guy from the I don't even want to say the movie name so I don't want to offend you butell what's his name Carell something Carell oh oh so you think that I've got the office Vibes yeah like I was going to say The 40-Year-Old Virgin but yeah like the Steve Carell you're kind of like Steve Carell yeah you're like [ __ ] unten hilarious ice the shade you were throwing is amazing and I respect it [ __ ] this is going hardcore hold on I think we might have abs joining for a second just to speak on the moderation side but ABS listen you got to you got to be a little bit nicer yeah you got to keep things above board back he's back I think he's trying to get abs on here yeah that makes sense you back yeah sorry sorry wait I'm trying to find ab's Discord I don't have him you have him hey ice is ABS running with you right now man uh he's in Japan with me yeah wa you you're are you're in yeah you're in Japan as well he yeah he's gonna be uh I'm on my 24-hour stream in like a week didn't ABS get kicked off your stream or something well no in the Philippines he left because it was I mean the Philippines was a living [ __ ] nightmare so he didn't want to anything to do with it but uh Japan's a lot easier I think I just invited him I think I got him on Discord no I think that's his old company Discord though a [ __ ] I need to fix my OBS up real quick one sec um there I also all right we're back not I think we went anywhere I think it's just yet the camera was down for a second uh ABS is saying check your WhatsApp in chat yeah I got it here you go all right oh yeah back what I was saying uh there's no shade uh Andrew I genuinely think you're a nice guy you know I just think you're hilarious that's all I appreciate that man I think you get a lot I think you're of slack uh you know and it's kind of funny so like I like to go with it but you know deep down I don't think you're a bad guy who's out to destroy kick no I am I'm definitely not an industry plant I I appreciate the endorsement man and listen I listen to your man clips about front page about moderation about um I weigh on weigh in on certain things but look kick is grown man like kick has become staffed up kick is becoming departments oh [ __ ] sorry one sec guys one sec sorry I want to make that clear is like um I don't think people understand exactly how much kick is grown man and where it's headed yeah I mean kick has grown a lot I mean other Platforms in two years weren't were nothing I mean you know what I mean I think that's the coolest thing even Aiden like I think we alluding it when to Aiden um like if you kind of like draw up like where kick is at after 2 years in terms of like average viewership and even like overlay that on like [ __ ] YouTube or twitch or anything like it's already like way ahead so again you know I guess you know current growth can't really mean what the future's going to look like but it is cool when you look at it from that lens I think it's well and truly ahead so it's uh it's definitely in a good position but we definitely need to pick things up a bit I think uh I think we wanted to be a lot further along compared to where we're at though but it's still like in crazy numbers when you zoom out a bit I think the English Market though where we kind of maybe slowed down a little bit I think like the Spanish and other markets like have gone [ __ ] crazy have you got um there you go I think ABS should have the link

there oh there he is hey ABS how you doing boys what's going on I've got a really bad cough so I apologize if I start coughing hey AB so we're discussing moderation and the chat is constantly saying like cap cap cap cap like you were how long did you work at kick for almost two years I think you're in six months prob yeah almost two years just the record though so why did you leave uh honestly just to work on other projects to be honest like I kind of also if I'm being sorry I'm kind of losing my voice as well by the way just because know but um I kind of lost the vision I didn't align with the vision anymore it's especially in terms of moderation at least because I was always a firm believer that if we head down the same path of moderation policy that twitch has and then personally I just thought we weren't going to go anywhere and I low key kind of just saw that we were not there like at a twitch level but moving towards that level um which I just didn't agree with I still love kick man I'm [ __ ] I'm always team kick bro but yeah that's just how I felt man and I still don't think it's the right move if obviously I don't know the current direction that we that you guys are currently going in or planning to move in but if that is the plan I really hope that [ __ ] doesn't happen bro like I'm going be straight up honest like I don't think it's ever going to happen I don't think that's um and I think we moved a little close towards that though it was getting there yeah but I think what just in terms of like how moderation is dealt with internally right you you've seen it you you you've seen how it works how would you comment on on how that kind of operates like you know I think obviously everything is done with the best intentions in mind right and nothing is ever I think this idea that like you know whether it's Andrew or individuals like being able to kind of influence like certain sort of directions you know that that's not the case right um no I wouldn't I would say that a lot of staff had opinions so everybody sort of gave their two cents and the moderation would sort of make the final decision but there was obviously influence from you know stuff you know we all had our own opinions I would I was always like the type of guy to want to like you know let bands kind of chill out a little bit because if it's something stupid I feel like people deserve Second Chances but then there's stuff that always that would always think like oh um you know maybe this was a little too much we should be more careful everybody had different opinions and that's fine um but obviously you know it wasn't you know specifically Santa Maria everybody had their own opinions um and I think I guess Santa Maria had certain opinions I had certain opinions everybody just wouldn't say that the direction it was moving towards was the correct way to sort of move to that's just how I feel but then again I wasn't a moderator I was [ __ ] Partnerships bro Partnerships either I mean sorry he doesn't do moderation either but you know we all had our opinions and to be hon if I'm being honest sometimes I didn't agree with certain people's opinions but there's hundreds of staff and everybody you know sort of gave in their two cents and that's just how it is especially when it came to the more high-profile sort of streams if that makes sense yeah yeah no I think it's sorry am I just yapping I don't know no no I think you offer valuable Insight I tell you what we completely derailed this kick talk and went completely off piece so was like [ __ ] it the chat's asking for abs so it's interesting I think it's good to have these unfiltered discussions and understand where the sentiments out I think that's kind of that that's the essence of live streaming right is is you know getting people's opinions and I think it's uh it's interesting to hear where you're coming from right um yeah but want to [ __ ] I really want to say that to the people who keep saying like twitch 2. 0 like it's that's never going to be the case with kick but I want people to also know that twitch is not the [ __ ] option the reason which I personally believe that why kick was so popular early on and even towards you know a year in um up until I guess very recently with the moderation um the reason why people loved kick so much was that we gave people a breath of fresh air because on Twitch people would just get banned for absolutely no reason and the the biggest problem that people on Twitch had was that they would just get banned to Absolute [ __ ] for nothing and we don't want to go down that road on kick you know what I'm saying um and it sort of gave people like a breath of fresh air being on Kick um because we gave people the freedom to where do you think drawing that line sits ABS there someone who's kind of seen it internally and understood like you know hey look you know when something goes really pair shaped the detrimental effects it has on the broader company like where do you think you draw the line like how do you have any examples like you know where you think this was too much I'll give you perfect examples uh there's a [ __ ] named Johnny Somali bro [ __ ] that guy [ __ ] that guy see people who do [ __ ] like that like these [ __ ] need to get banned people who harass people who dumb like do dumb [ __ ] if you're doing IRL streaming doing dumb [ __ ] bro like yeah get the [ __ ] out of this platform this shit's not for you bro like people you know dropping harder and like just proper slurs and hate speech no Kick's not about [ __ ] hate speech bro we're here to have fun and make [ __ ] content for adults bro because the reality is streaming at least on kick has a majority of an adult viewership you know what I'm saying um of course you probably have like a few [ __ ] kids here and there probably making accounts but the reality is the majority of the viewership on Kick and I think on Twitch too is adult viewers so there should be an like we should accept that you know adult streamers should be able to make adult content with obviously not crossing a line now if I'm being honest somebody like sneaker shouldn't like I seen like one or two of his bands I if I'm being honest I don't know the exact details but I feel like you know people getting banned a little too easy and also like we got to start showcasing and respecting the the bigger names on kick you know what I'm saying like people like sneo people ice like aen maybe they're considered a little edgy but BR we're all adults you know what I'm saying yeah what so you mentioned like sneo like and a couple of those bands there other bands that come to mind when you think hold on like this is maybe where things are getting a little bit too over the top like did you have examples yeah I mean I definitely shouldn't have been banned for that egg neon shouldn't have never and um DPAC shouldn't have been banned for I guess raising his arm I mean it was pretty [ __ ] stupid of him and maybe he should have received the warning for that instead so that's where I think you should draw the line where yeah [ __ ] he made a mistake but we shouldn't you know ban somebody immediately for a stupid ass mistake like you know deepack is deepack he didn't know get banned for like he he I think he did like some sort of like he tried to be funny he was standing in front of a symbol which resonates with uh um ASA right but it's actually the peace symbol in India and he just like thought it would be funny to raise his arm and he got banned for that which is you know what that was pretty stupid of him I can't lie but also like it's deepack like bro had no idea what the [ __ ] he was doing it was just you know what I'm saying yeah I think deepack is defin I think he's got good intentions I don't think yeah he was probably trying to be racist but again it's difficult right it's difficult because then there are people out there doing exactly what say deepack did but in the most insincere way possible right and it's kind of like you know that context of the situations I guess that matters right like I think sometimes you need to zoom out and you got to take the literal example and maybe not focus on that so much and focus on kind of the bigger picture but I guess that's a whole other discussion almost right but you know then I mean but ABS what do you do when like someone else does it and then we you don't you don't do something with DPAC like and I'm just learning about this right and then you start saying DPAC has favoritism right you just say like oh DPAC knows kick staff therefore he's not going to get banned we need to have consistency across the board but I agree with content I mean context is important right but say but what do you do there okay so context should always be taken into consideration okay as you just mentioned but also we got to start paying attention to these [ __ ] on Twitter bro like if I'm being honest a lot of people just crying on Twitter and saying oh favoritism this favoritism that it's not the case man like there's context in every situation and people are just going to cry and cry but we can't pay attention to people who cry we got to stick to you know what it is if in the context deac had no idea what was going on or he was just making a stupid joke then that's the context if somebody literally raised his arm and and you know did some stupid [ __ ] then obviously that's crossing the line you know and you know what maybe and I'm not saying it's it's so easy to moderate and do this and do that that's moderation is like the hardest [ __ ] in the world anybody could go live right now and do some dumb [ __ ] and we still be talking like it's not an easy thing to do and you know what kick should never like the you know I think it's I think the dpack uh example that you brought up is uh is a bad example because it's hard to uh dissect the context there right unless you're like in the know like you know deep so um you know I think as kick staff they know who deepack is kick staff and kick viewers and kick Community know who deepack is yeah but it's also you know it's also like what uh you know Andrew is saying it is an Optics thing it's like it could be class's favoritism because oh dak's just this Indian guy he doesn't really get it but like you could say that about anybody you know what I mean and you know so the context is very difficult to detect absolutely yeah man look moderation is difficult and you're never gonna please everybody somebody's going to be upset with every [ __ ] decision that's made and that's just the reality um but also we should maybe just chill out on on how harsh we are when it comes to moderation hey so ABS real quick I I personally think warnings is the way to go like look very early on and very early on when kick started up uh it was small enough where I could get on a Discord call or a or a call with someone and say hey like I think this is where you might have stepped over the bounds and it was more reformative right um and then those efforts very early on uh we created a policy in the pools category in VR chat and in chat roulette where we would send a warning we would say hey you need to skip through miners or change this outfit or hey like this VR chat model is a little too aggressive do you mind pivoting and we would send a warning along with clips and a screenshot and the reason why we we stuck with those categories is because a it was all that the moderation team could handle within those categories as opposed to opening it up to the entire website and then b um those categories were the most visual right those categories were where you could share a screenshot or a clip and there was no doubt like you are talking to a minor or there was no doubt this top is insane please change it or this VR model is like is Bonkers and it was very easy visually to get on the same page with the Creator um I have made the suggestion of kind of expanding that to the entire website to the entire you know and with that it comes a problem of scaling of saying like hey here's a warning adjust your content that way we don't have to take you off the air right so um there are suggestions out there whether the moderation team does that or not I don't know but I think it's pretty successful with the three categories that I mentioned I think we should go to a warning system oh definitely absolutely um and you know I agree with a lot of points you made there um to be honest um I don't really see any other solution to what you mentioned because like you said and like everyone knows moderation is is difficult right so um I just personally believe that people should be given a second chance you know a third chance even I if I'm being honest hot take I think permanent should never be a thing I think everyone should have the opportunity no like of course with you know some circumstances like you know stupid things that's happened exactly like miners Etc anything falls into that weird [ __ ] obviously but when it comes to you know just repeated offenses of maybe you know just stupid [ __ ] accidental about what about people like Johnny Somali no um and I I'll tell you why Johnny Somali broke laws in real life and that's crossing the line right when you break the law in countries multiple countries all across the world that's when you're crossing the line when you're doing dumb [ __ ] like that that's when you should be actually permanently suspended but people who make stupid mistakes people who might have like you know mental disabilities and all they have in their life is live streaming but they just [ __ ] stupid sometimes and do dumb [ __ ] and constantly just repeatedly get banned I feel like some people should be given the opportunity to redeem themselves that's just how I personally feel um because you know sooner or like chat's saying SJC look SJC is literally classified as autistic but he's also done a lot of dumb [ __ ] like you know what I'm saying like you can't use it as an excuse like he like there been serious things that he's done um but he's also you know he's a good guy he's got a genuine heart he he's he seems to be a nice person and he all he has in his life is live streaming you know what I'm saying so people like him I guess should be maybe in six months be given a consideration maybe he's banned for six months and then comes back like you know what I try again you know what I'm saying I don't know I'm just kind of yapping now at this stage but well you know speaking of that can we unban swimmer Nick because he's gonna stream snipe me any day now in Japan and I don't want to get banned for him stream sniping me what did swim and Nick at ban for uh well I think he threatened to kill you that was a while ago do you remember ages ago in the I was like oh bro this guy uh this guy named swiming Nick he's just spamming I'm going to kill Eddie in a chat B that I get like I probably get like a thousand death threats a week I know and I and the guy like DMD me I just came across like a bunch of DMS and he's like I'm so sorry that was so stupid of me I was just trolling blah blah I'm like yo Ed this guy threatened to kill you hey just I didn't B him I didn't bet him you're making it guy no no I'm like yo Ed uh thises guy threaten to kill you like what do you reckon bro like do we unban the guy and you're like ah [ __ ] it yeah I'm bad you know what I'm saying like I mean the guy he I can't really speak on who he is as a person but in that moment when I first discovered that DM and the stupid ass [ __ ] like stupid mistake of a message that he wrote in chat I didn't think that warranted like a yeah that was like a different era of kick right I think this we going back like we're going back like a long time this was when like you know there was probably like a team of like Andrew mentioned like 10 moderators and like not really much process was a very long time ago ancient history almost yeah but yeah I think I think being able to review bands after a certain amount of time I think probably pretty important like I think yeah permanently Banning is like kind of crazy like I kind of you know I think there's certain times and places but you know after a certain amount of time it's worth probably like going hot on a second like you know is this person serious about keeping the platform safe and you know going in the direction that we wanted to go um but yeah maybe that's worth potentially reviewing it some point but then again I don't think anyone's really been perm banned for too long on Kick there isn't that many people right I think most situations it's been a pretty dramatic s like you know reason um I mean is that that's a going that's an ongoing joke right there are no Perma bands on kick that's like a massive like meta on socials I think there's maybe three people that have a Perma ban on Kick for real yeah well I mean there there's definitely more than three but you know I mean the people who are saying that meta are you know not ick users you know they're like twitch people probably right so I mean yeah I mean you know I know a couple personally but um look I don't have the best opinions on moderation and I don't want to keep yapping so I'm going just leave it at this okay um I think there should be a line that is drawn internally within the kick team that there's a line that should never be crossed for every streamer every viewer anybody within the kid Community where everybody's having fun everybody's safe everybody's chilling and enjoying themselves but at the same time have freedom to make the content that they want to make and to you know have fun on the website um you know that they love and enjoy and not be afraid of you know potentially getting banned for maybe you know saying a dumb joke or whatever like making stereotypical jokes like every time I I went into somebody's chat like somebody call me a fat Indian I'm not even Indian but I thought it was funny like you know what I'm saying I thought it was funny I don't think people should get banned for calling me a fat Indian I'm not Indian but still funny you get me so as long as there's somewhat of a freedom where people can enjoy themselves and not telling yourself that buddy but abs for you man for you where are those lines I think I mentioned that earlier when Aiden was on like for me the four the four areas for me is like genocidal hate speech right real like really aggressive racist hate speech you know what I'm saying like really just like like highly aggressive right and the second thing is just stay away from kids uh and then for me the third area is um you know when you're when you're hate rating or briging um excessively when you set up a bounty board on your Discord to go after people to just absolutely hate raid um other communities for me those are the three areas where I'm just like if you kind of stay away from those things I think you're going to be for me okay but I I'd be interested what you think those lines are man when you start talking about lines what are some what are some highlights for you well yeah of course hate speech is is a definite one of course so things like racism things like abuse things like anything relating to minors you know this might be a hot take but if I'm being hon I think the chat roulette section should I think that's the one thing that twitch got right because it's something that can never be moderated at 100% And the smallest little mistake can cause the biggest problem right so if I'm being honest I think twitch got that right and never allowing any sort of chat Rel content because yeah it's it can be awesome and fun sometimes and what not and yeah like I said hot take but it is it is [ __ ] hard to moderate that so um I think that's a thing that you guys should potentially look into um otherwise though just the you know the basics the common sense of just not doing dumb [ __ ] like racism hate speech pedophilia [ __ ] that's relating to minor any sort of abuse on the platform that that's really I'm not going to go into specifics but that's really just how I think that line should be not crossed that and then you know people who make mistakes should be you know be considered you know Second Chance a third chance after you know certain amount of time to relax and you know maybe a month or two break and then reflect on their actions and if they really want to be back on streaming that much they come back and they change the attitude you know what I'm saying um yeah that's it for me I think yeah you go you valuable Insight you know I think it it's I think it's great to kind of you know obviously you know the these kind of discussions around moderation take place all the timeck right like we're always kind of trying to understand like hold on like what can we do better how do we run it but I think you know having open conversations with you know whether it's like Aden before even having neon come on and give his you know his take and you know ABS you've got your you know your opinion being kind of internal now external and ice and of course just understanding like the industry for the last decade it's interesting it really is kind of hearing all these different versions and the thing is though it would be great to be able to bring someone on right now who kind of thinks the moderation is too soft we're probably running out of time right now but it would be interesting to hear from the other side because to be fair sometimes there are some really valuable you know insights and valuable arguments against like hold on a second like there's reasons why we don't want X Y and Z uh you know I think it is fair to kind of keep things balanced um and and hear all sides out but it it is complicated I think that's why moderation will always be the most difficult subject for kick but I keep coming back to the same point the best thing about kick is the agility it has in able to kind of being able to adapt to what we want to do and change this because again none of this is mandated and something we have to follow we can change things as required so you know these discussions maybe lead to potentially you know altering how are looked at it is it is great I think to just openly talk about even like you know watching the chat kind of go through and seeing certain people have different opinions on where things are at is pretty great um not to mention I think that the simple fact that people care so much about Ki to the extent that they will continue to discuss the moderation and get so passionate about it means that the people genuinely care for the platform which is you know probably the most important aspect um yeah and sometimes sometimes you guys do bring on people who uh would say that the moderation is too soft you know like sometimes you guys bring on those people and I always think that they have the worst opinions I've ever heard in my life when in regards to streaming I mean most of the time they are barely streamers you know they're like I they have no experience at all and they're trying to dictate moderation so I mean I think anybody who's in my opinion anybody who would say the moderation is too soft has no experience in the streaming World um from what I've heard yeah I don't know I I have very strong opinions so you know obviously not everyone will agree with that I guess yeah whil whilst Ki doesn't have the a situation where it's beholden to say adver ERS or beholden to say shareholders I think it's a great opportunity to try to you differentiate and attract that audience but at the same time it does have like negative effects too so I don't know it is tough it is tough I think I think yeah I think a lot of those people when they speak about that I think it's more so from their perception of being say let's say a gaming streamer with say 50 to 100 viewers and they're trying to make their career on Kick and whil they're making they're kind of being lumped in with like the headlines of say X Y and Z did crazy [ __ ] here and then they kind of get their name tainted so I do see where they're coming from I think it comes from the fact that like the whole platform gets kind of painted with this bad brush but I think it's about either accepting you know it's about agreeing on on where things stand right and sticking to our guns moving forward I think that's the most important aspect I think pivoting and not quite understanding what the platform stands for and moving too much can probably lead to that inconsistency which leads to these people kind of wanting different variations so yeah I think that's what we have to work on for sure um is just understanding where we want to be as a platform and I think we're in agreeance of of making sure that there is room for people to be adults right I think that's the one thing everyone can agree on that you know holding people to a moderation standard of say like you know teenagers or or younger people that that's too far right because live streaming needs to have some level of leniency ability to be entertaining and to really get the most out of it so but yeah it's uh it's a tough tough subject it always will be it's a little cooked hey Ed just before I go can you just clarify to the entire kick community that I didn't get fired from kick can you just tell them all that I didn't get fired you you technically didn't get fired yes stop you're such a troll bro oh my God this guy this guy's such a [ __ ] troll bro it's unbelievable no I'm head out myself here so you guys enjoy that so uh thanks for the talk guys we'll see y'all later catch your I thanks for coming on I was joking you you left on good terms abs and that's why we're sitting here having a conversation now it's nothing but love I think I think the bottom line is you are meant for the world of live streaming and being a free bird you know you can't be caged in an office 9 to-5 you that's the way I look at it you're like uh you're too your dreams and your Ambitions are too big for the office life you know that's uh that's probably what to count down too yeah I mean I guess I don't know [ __ ] maybe um have you guys been like watching my streams bro [ __ ] I've been carrying stream this afternoon you talk we yeah we front paged you the other day and I got melted down because I was you know apparently we were favoring you man yeah see when you guys do that they come into my chat and then they start flaming me like oh what is this favoritism so you know can we chill out on the front paging guys I know you know I appreciate the love in that but like I'm cop in the heat too but you're putting content out man you're efforting man thank you bro I think that's one thing we're trying to do with the front page is mix up a bit to like not so much be based around like I think it's really important to give small streamers a shot like really important and there is some people who have like had their career kind of like jump started by just getting that extra viewership and we got to keep doing that but ultimately like someone comes to kick and like what they're showing at the top there needs to be kind of engaging right we need to keep people on the platform for longer and I think that needs to be kind of the job the people who are going above and beyond to like make great content exciting content whether that's IRL whether that's gaming whether that's anything right whether that's music you know we have to kind of put that up I think it really comes down to who is the most entertaining person which is probably going to be the people with the more views but anyway that that's again another discussion which similar to moderation there's no perfect recipe for it's about finding that balance but I think we're adapting and I think as Andrew mentioned like we even like I think changed a few things based on some stuff ice mentioned right in that a couple of Clips right I think uh you I The Testament is like to how much kick does take Community Feed back in terms of how it decides on decisions it truly is Community Driven like in all aspects and I think um I think that super cool I can verify that it's always been Community Driven I think it's always GNA stay that way um Kick is for the people you know what I'm saying and it's going to continue that way just uh you know there's mistakes here and there and in certain aspects but you know what um everybody knows that twitch is not the answer so you I'm G leave it at that um to you just a question ABS as like you know from your from your opinion why do you think like certain people would potentially want to see Kick Fail or say twitch do better like why would that opinion live well look there's always going to be a certain group of people who are never ever in a million years going to even want to consider watching anybody on Kick just simply because of the fact that they don't like kick and they sort of gr go with the crowd then I'm talking specifically you know people on Twitter and a huge majority of those noisy people who are on Twitter who you know watch people like you know just watching twitch streamers in general anyways my point is that there's a crowd of people that will never ever in a million years even consider kick yet they are the loudest people on on Twitter talking the most [ __ ] about kick so personally I say is that kick holds a vision sticks to that vision and completely ignores the donkeys on Twitter cuz [ __ ] all them they don't care about kick the people who care about kick on the website on the platform um and you know what I'm not going to lie there's a few people on kick like who also sit there and cry about [ __ ] on Twitter they should chill the [ __ ] out sometimes like you know everybody's here to to enjoy a platform and we're all in this [ __ ] together because we know the end goal and the end goal is that you know hopefully kick will one day be the biggest live streaming platform in the world and you know I truly believe it can be and it will be it's just going to take a lot of hard work from the staff the community the streamers and overall just everybody sort of in it together so yeah [ __ ] all the [ __ ] noise because those people don't care they're just talking [ __ ] and you know they they're never going to try kick anyway so Buck their opinions and let's just keep moving forward you get me yeah no I think um I think yeah one thing we can agree on is moving forward and I think that's going to happen no matter what um you I think the the vision for kick is very simple it is to win the live streaming Market is that going to be easy no um you know is there some decisions around whether it's you know how we position moderation or how we position um you know who we work with and how we work with them uh which can be debated for days on ends sure but um does it take away from the fact that I think there's a really good opportunity to reinvent live streaming and make it better than it's ever been I I think we will stick to that for as long as is needed um I think that is the sole reason kick was was kind of built um yeah but yeah it it'll be an uphill battle on public perception sometimes and I think we just have to accept that um but at the same time there there's also really good feedback from the public opinion too I think if you completely block out the public opinion just go like no I'm going to close my eyes and and not listen to anything you're missing out on some valuable input so yeah know as I kind of mentioned is it's kind of delineating between what's noise and what's like actually genuine feedback and that can be the tough part there is some really good feedback on Twitter like I I've kind of mentioned I'm trying to avoid looking at it but at the same time there has been so much great feedback from people saying like this is not what we want or this is what we want and you know we have ultimately made some good decisions off that but I think yeah solely being focused on that is dangerous really dangerous just being completely led by the opinion of like yeah others right so I think it's ensuring that we just have our own radat but ABS I tell you what I appreciate you coming on and sharing your experience um and bring the conversation I think yeah it's been uh it's been an interesting discussion tonight it has been yeah I mean bit of a line up today good stuff boys but yeah thanks for having me on Cheers you know what I'm saying we'll catch up soon I hope um yeah and you too Santa Maria hey AB listen man I'm really enjoying this ABS Arc man um like you are like you're you're chill you're reasonable you're tempered uh whatever you're doing man keep doing it man so um much love to you thank you very much appreciate it guys enjoy the rest of your night all right hold on when we thought this couldn't go any more different is it going more sideways where are we taking it man I'm trying to follow on Discord man what we got oh [ __ ] it's so late though my brain's turning off it's so late I'll tell you what I think we should organize a guest for next week um just so we can keep things yeah I