Victor Bretting

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So, they're good podcast though. Anyway guys, uh that's all the more reason for you to support us because we're old. We got to buy geratl for this podcast now and a cane, maybe a walker. Anyway guys, go to goodreads. com/chrisfs. linkedin. com Chrisfos, YouTube. comrisfos, and facebook. com/chrisfos. True story, the walkers for me, eh getting old. Anyway, guys, uh we have an amazing young man on the show. We're going to talk to him about his journey, his book, and some of the wonderful things he does for veterans and people that need help. Uh he's the author of the book called The Man That I Would Become by Victor Reading. It is out March 30th, 2026. Just want to make sure. Uh, did I get your last name correct, Victor? — Yes, sir. You did a great job. — There you go. I forgot to ask before the show, but then it just gives me the additional plug. Victor Eling is on the show, so we'll seal that in. They won't forget that. Uh, anyway, guys, we're going to get into with him, find out more, and all the good stuff he does. Victor is a construction executive, ranch founder, author, speaker, and media personality focused on leadership, perseverance, faith, and helping people navigate pressure, adversity, and purpose through real world experience. Welcome to the show, Victor. How are you, sir? — Well, thank you, sir. I really appreciate being here. Uh, give us websites, socials, wherever you want people to get to know you better on the web. So our website is bredingexonrianch. com. — You can Google that or Google bantex to get to us. We're on LinkedIn as well as Facebook. Uh so any one of those multimedia kind of facilities. You can just Google us and find us. — All right. So give us a 30,000 overview. What's in this book? — So you know I started writing the book honestly for my grandkids and their kids. I lost my mom about three or four years ago and you know you kind of lose part of your legacy and you heritage. You know she had this map of who we were and where we came from and — you know I kind of found out through all of that I'm actually an eighth generation Texan. We were one of the original 300 founders. — Oh wow. — From Stephen F. Austin when they did land grants in like 1842. — So I I've lost some of that and I had to kind of go back and do it. So, I wanted my kids to understand several things in my grandkids. And that is what it takes to persevere in life, — what you need to do to kind of get through it and what I came through and who I was because, you know, they're some of them are just never going to know because I'm not going to be around. So, — yeah. There you go. Well, you know, legacy is important. Where we come from uh kind of can sometimes tell us where we're going. Like I always say in the show, the one thing man can learn from his history is that man never learns from his history. Then we go round to round. But knowing your origin story, you know, who you are, what you're about, what your family is or your lineage, your history, you know, is an important thing because I think we all kind of reach that age where we're like, you know, I know when kids are young, they're focused on survival and, you know, whatever they're doing. Teenagers, they're trying to figure out who they are as a people, as a person. Some of them are people because they have multiple personalities. Anyway, teenagers. Anyway, been there. Uh but uh you know when we get a little bit older I think when we start settling down our life a little bit and figuring stuff out we kind of go what what's my past about. — Yeah. — No I to I totally agree. You know when you're younger it's kind of what can I do tomorrow and you know tomorrow I might not have. So you kind of want to know what's left and where you came from. So in the book you tell the story of this eighth generation Texas experience that you had your family's history. I guess uh says something about oh the original 300 families. You mentioned that and uh talk to us about how you grew up and some of the different stories maybe that you are

favored you like in the book. — Well it really starts out with you know not having a father. That's where the story starts into and — being raised by a mom that uh you know she was just she had grit. I mean, she had determination and, you know, you grow up having to be the man of the family at a at extremely, you know, a young age. — So, you learn, you get a little hardened. You know, cut my neck off. I'm not going to, you know, not going to cry. I'm not going to bleed. I'm going to continue on. — So, part of the journey that I realized is is starting from where I came, and that's where the book comes from, to where I ended up, understanding that you can still be a man. You can still basically do the things as a man, taking care of your family. But, you know, you can have a little compassion and a little caring. You just don't have to be hard all the time. So, that's kind of the journey in the book. — So, you ended up being the Were you the oldest in the family? — Yes, sir. — There you go. Being the oldest uh you know, I was the first child as well that what we normally refer to scientists call the smart one. Um and uh I always tease my siblings that I took all the good stuff out of the womb and left them with, you know, just leftovers. So, you know, — hey, I try to tell my brother that, too. He still thinks that, but I hadn't convinced him yet. — I think it's the same way with mine. But, uh, you know, it's there's a lot of pressure, but I grew up with a father and so I didn't have that you're the man of the family thing. That's a whole level of pressure, especially on a young person where you're still trying to figure out like I can't open the peanut butter jar yet, mom. How am I supposed to be the man of the family? Right. — Yes, sir. — I'm 5 years old. What do you want? — Yeah. So, you go through that life. Now, a lot of men who grow up that become successful um without fathers um they kind of I don't want to say they overcompensate, but I think they kind of do. I mean, Ted Turner, I believe, uh there's a whole list of people I know that are very successful and and they hearken, you know, being raised by a single mother and fighting through all that stuff at at sometimes building a better man and more success. I don't know. Do you have any thoughts on that or — No, it's it it's true. You know, I was and I still am, you know, determined. I'm get out of my way, I'm going to make it happen, right? Part of the problem of get out of my way is you start, you know, you lose the compassion part of life. And that's what I had to grow into. I've always been determined, you know. — Yeah. So, and you know, I kind of had the same thing growing up poor and then want to become successful. And then when I became successful, I was good at like achieving and being driven, but I really wasn't good with dealing with other human beings and relationships and, you know, things like that. And I probably still aren't. — Well, — but was that kind of — maybe what you went through, you know, I had to kind of learn that kind of not really feminine side of me, but that feminine side of you, you know, tell people you love them and stuff and — it's true. I mean, I would hate to tell you how many divorces I went to figure all that out. So, I would be lying to you. So, it took me a little while to realize, Victor, you can't tell them what to do because, you know, the first thing you hear when you walk in the door is I'm not your uh employee. — Oh, — yeah. Got that speech. I've got You always bosch people around cuz you're a boss. And I'm like, well, you know, I've been running my company since I was 18. It's kind of built in program. — Yes, sir. But uh yeah, you can you know I just and I just wrote him I just write him a pink slip and ask him to move out. That's what I do. — Well, mine's usually a pink slip as well as a check. — I'm always I'm like, "Honey, we've been dating for a year. Go talk to the HR department and they they've got a message for you. " Anyway, just uh — you broke up WITH ME THROUGH THE HR DEPARTMENT. SO, tell us about this ranch. you have the BEX ranch, B-Ex Ranch there in Texas. Uh, tell us about what you're doing down there and how that ties in with your book. — So, the the ranch really started out as my wife and I's kind of retirement and we've been hunters all of our life in, you know, five different continents and harvested a lot of animals. So, it was kind of a natural thing for us just to continue that portion of our life. And we met um we met a couple gentlemen on an outdoor show uh Dallas excuse me outdoor show. Gordon Melton with Hunting with Soldiers and then uh Casey um with Cross Trail Outfitters. So both of those two kind of changed the direction. Um Gordon has is works with combat veterans and PTSD — and then um Casey is a faith-based youth group. — So both of that changed what the direction was. So all of a sudden the ranch is more about giving. We've donated 64 hunts in the past three years. — Oh wow. So you guys started the hunt thing three years ago. And what do you try to achieve with that and

who do you try and help with it? — So the the ranch like you said, you know, revenue drives the more donations we can do. Um we've also gotten into some terminally ill kids. We've got another one coming up for a whitetail hunt. We hope he makes it, you know, till white tail season. But uh so it's really transformed into what can I give back, right? My favorite saying is you're not put on this earth to take, you're give. — That's true. You know, I I always think of it like leave the world in a better place. Try and raise the thing. You know, you can either think in a in abundance where a rising tide lifts all boats or you can think in scarcity where you're just, you know, clawing. I need as much as I can get and I'm not sharing with anybody. — Yes. — You know, I started saying this recently. I used to say we're all stewards of our democracy, but then I also started saying we're all stewards of each other on this planet. — Yes, sir. — Cuz we're stewards of other human beings regardless of race, color, flag, territory, whatever the BS you want to put between us. We're all human beings and we're all in this lifeboat in the middle of nowhere uh space and — with a bunch of sharks. — We have sharks and lions and tigers and bears. Oh my. — Yes, sir. And uh you know and we're you know we all got to get along. kind of take care of each other because if we don't you know and you know someone stinks up the planet or you know loads a nuclear bomb you know we're all we're probably all not going to have a good time. — Yes sir. Totally agree. — Yeah. So we've all got to we all got kind of take care of ourselves. And I love the fact that you know as you get successful you start looking around and you say how can I share this? How can I uh give back more and do more? And then I think you mentioned that veterans, you help veterans and uh it can help with their PTSD and different things. — Yes, sir. Yeah. It's amazing what the outdoors does for the veterans. It's a calm. It's a peace. You know, you're the serenity. You know, it's not about them harvesting an animal. It's really not. That's kind of the extra point. It's more like when you watch them get together, the brotherhood starts back, right? Because that's what it was. It was a brotherhood. So within five minutes, they're brothers and then the camaraderie starts and the kidding and the poking and the having and the fun and they leave the world, right? the problems they had behind and they just get to enjoy what they're doing. — Yeah. You know, I do that with photography. I love to go up into the canyons, — take a drive up. I usually do this about every weekend. And I just kind of get one with nature and I'm just doing what we call in photography trying to capture the moment. — Yes, sir. And so you're looking for moments. And one thing I really enjoy about it that I didn't I had never really noticed before until recently when I resumed photography is being out in that nature and seeing everything that's going on. And you have to have a certain operational awareness, too. I mean, imagine Texas, you know, you have wild boars and all sorts of crazy stuff that can come at you rattlesnakes — and lions and tigers and bears. So am I. And uh but I get really present when I'm out looking for that moment because I know there's only a second, maybe two seconds, 3 seconds. I got sometimes there's not enough time to lift the camera and shoot that shot. Maybe it's the same way with shooting with a gun — and um you know the animal get away or something. But that the being present like time just slows down for me when I'm out in the nature and the world and breathing the fresh air and I don't really have an agenda. Like I'm not really going anywhere. It's just the joy is just being. And I imagine a lot of those guys I know the brotherhood's a big deal. I used to have my friends in the military would always just feel so lost when they would come back here. And I'm like why do you feel lost? — You have a family, you got girlfriend, wife, whatever. and they're like, "Man, I miss the brotherhood, man. " — Yeah. — And uh but I love that present feeling and I love experiencing it and it slows time down. I feel like it's the one day that's mine that I own. — All the other days I'm just feeling whip shot, dragged behind the car, just holding on for dear life. Just get me through the weekend, man. — Please, please do. — So, that's great you do it. Um and the brotherhood, the PTSD uh can help. Um, you know, I maybe you guys, you guys ever thought about doing one of those dude ranches? What was that movie with the comedians? Uh, and uh the cowboy dude ranch uh sort of thing where you know is who uh Palanteer whatever he goes the one thing. Anyway, um that was always a great movie and I'm like that may be fun to do or not. I don't know. — Yeah. You know, from so being an eighth generation Texan giving somebody, hey, let's go ride a horse. This is a dude ranch. Probably doesn't set too well with me. — Yeah. Does dude ranch mean something different than I think it does? — Yeah. It means here's a guy that's going to come out and put a straw hat on that's basically got this chicken [ __ ] around the top of his head and

he's going to say, "Can you help me get on my horse? " No, buddy. I really can't. — I feel I feel attacked right now. — I didn't say anything about New York. I promise I didn't. — You know, I tell you, I uh I wear some pretty loose shorts and I uh when I was younger, I you know, I watched a lot of uh oh god, who was it? The you know the uh you from around here, Pioneer or what? Who what was some of the things he used to say? Anyway, — John Wayne. Watch a lot of John Wayne and I grew up wanting to be John Wayne when I grew up. And I remember the first time I got on a horse, I I knew how to swing my leg over just like I'd seen John Wayne do it. So, I got up on that saddle, swung my leg over. Turns out I'm built a little different. And I came down and uh then I rolled off the other side of the horse in pain. — So, you got to be careful what lands on that seat. Yeah. — When you swing wide. — Yeah. You got to make sure you land basically on that other side. — Yeah. I uh I did not. I came right down on something and went in the fetal position and went off the other side. And I've never been on a horse since. — Yeah. That's kind of would teach you a lesson pretty quick, would it? — Yeah. So, there's a lot of people that go through that. I thought I was just uh broken or something or — No, you're not the only one. Trust me. — Got to wear a jock strap when you go on that horse. — Well, if it had hung, you wouldn't have to win. Oh, they just stay there. You know what I mean? — That's true. Yeah. It's the horse is just like and I did not get back on the horse like they recommend you to do. I was just like I'm going to go put get some ice. So there you go. Now you're translating this into I think doing some speaking and some touring I think. Uh tell us about what your vision is as you expand the awareness of what you're doing there on the ranch. — So part of the vision again is you know about men's health. you know, been in construction for about five decades. And I come to a realization and really didn't know about two or three years ago that I thought most of the suicides came from veterans. It does. They come from construction workers. — Really? — Yes, sir. So, that's where I kind of started doing this the book realization looking back and going, you know, I survived. How'd I survive? Is there a way I can help somebody else? And then you get around the veterans and kind of realize, okay, it's not just the vets. There's people that really needing help. So yeah, I'm trying to help any way I can. Uh whether it's through speaking, it's just having conversations, bringing people to the ranch, you know, just any way I can. — And I think, you know, I study a lot about masculinity. I study the otoicism. One of the things that when you really understand how, you know, the differences between men and women, we're not equal, folks. Um men really need a tribe. They need a tribe of men that they can go hang out with. And I think, you know, don't quote me if I'm talking some conspiracy crap here, but I believe when men hang out together and do tribal stuff together, they work on projects like, you know, car hunting, you know, whatever they're doing that's goal oriented, it actually increases their testosterone. — So, I think that's true. If not, — I believe it. — If not, you guys will write me on YouTube, I'm sure. So, um, but I'm pretty sure it does. If not, I mean, there's a camaraderie there. I and you know I see so many men that you know you they won't hang out with well my wife is my best friend I hang out with well that's cool but uh you know she's sick of you most of the time cuz you're there you know you might want to leave and you know love grows fonder you know with uh not being around what I told my girlfriend three years ago uh before I faked my death and left. So uh that's the fifth time I've done that. It's getting old. So, uh, but no, you know, it men need this and it's so hard nowadays. Like, I've had dudes like where I try and hang out with them in the gym and I'm like, "Hey, man. You want to go to the gym and lift weights? " And they're like, "What's going on? You trying to get close to me in the shower or something? " I'm like, "No, dude. " It's like, I'm an old alpha dude raised by alpha grandfathers. I I you know, let's go work out, you know, I need somebody to spot me for Christ's sake. But men need that. And I think it's a big hole in most men's lives and why it's contributing such a high suicide rate. I mean, men do have I think it's three to four higher suicide rate than women. — Yeah. Yeah, they do. And part of it is just admitting, right? You know, you don't get through a 10-step program whether you're an alcoholic or a drug eater because the first step says you have to admit. — And you know, we're trained basically to you know, you hold it in. You know, you're supposed to support the family. You know, take care of them. We're going to defend you. And you know, sometimes you just got to talk and I go back to what you said on a tribe. How can you talk and how can you get it off your chest if there's no tribe for you to talk to? — Exactly. And you need other men to talk to. — Agree. — Men know what men's issues are. I

mean, I'm assaulted all day long about what goes on in social media where all these women are trying to tell men whatever they think that men should be or whatever they are. And half of them didn't have fathers. So, you're just like, I don't know why you're telling me what a man — should be. uh and fathers have a huge impact on the development of young woman. Mothers usually have a big development on the son but uh you know it's it's a thing that men need to get back to. They need to drive up more. They need to do stuff together and common goals. You know, when I was a kid, my alpha grandfather, we'd go fishing and uh, you know, we'd learned to, you know, put the worm on and do all the things and camp and cook and we did all those things. And then, you know, we had boy scouts when I was young, so we did all these testosterone driven boy scout crap we were always up to. and you know and it was good for us you know and I had other men on top of my father that you know boy scout leaders that were leading me and teaching me you know the ways of men without really teaching because we don't we really kind of just you know it's like when your wife you come home from fishing or maybe hunting I don't know and wife goes what did you guys talk about you're like I don't know five words the whole time but we're fulfilled — yeah we are — yeah we're our buckets are full and Mormon men need to do that. I mean, I I've uh especially nowadays, you know, it's a real big deal. So, do you have any upcoming events that you're speaking at? Maybe you want to plug or just uh how people can maybe get in touch with you to hire you for speaking events? — Yeah, we don't have anything right now because we're uh we're fixing to go to Africa again for three weeks on a hunt. So, — Oh, wow. — hadn't really scheduled anything. So, we're uh we're kind of really more getting geared up and looking forward to going that direction right now. — There you go. Are you taking some clients or people out uh out there for the hunt? — So, we're actually taking a group with Trekking Outdoors. We've uh we've been on the Sportsman channel with them about nine times. — So, we're taking them. They're actually going to record uh trekking in Africa. — So, kind of a new gig for them, new gig for us. So, that's really where we're going for. — Yeah. You guys have those meta glasses, you know, the they're the Ray-B band sunglasses and they have cameras in them. — We don't you know, we're still a little oldfashioned. We I guess we like to keep our hands busy. — Yeah. Well, see, here's the great thing about those. I I I've been loving them for years and I used to have the Google Glass back in the day. So, if you guys are out, you know, Serengeti or wherever you are in Africa doing the planes and hunting and stuff, you can just tell it to record and it'll start recording and you don't have to hold them. That's the great thing. It's not like a camera. — And so, I got all these great videos with my dogs, you know, throwing the ball with them and stuff and I don't have to hold the camera and have it be all stupid. That would be a great thing to film down there with and plus it's really first person experience. So you know I can see myself petting both of my dogs with both hands and you know stuff that you wouldn't see with a camera. But that's just an idea for you. But — that's a great idea cuz that way you know in case the uh the Cape Buffalo charge me you can watch me get killed. See? — Yeah. It'll make a great YouTube video and the Tik Tok account for — tough not to do or something. You know — do don't do this. He didn't live to tell about it, but don't do this. — Stupid things white people do. — That's exactly. — So, there you go. I think that's called America's Funniest Home Videos, actually. — Yeah. It's still around. — 50 freaking years I think it's been on TV. It's so popular. But, uh, you know, there's always that's really what makes the internet, you know, is, uh, you got that going on. So, what else do we want to plug while you're there? Do you guys, uh, do you guys raise cattle there on the ranch? Uh, what do you do there? — No, no cattle. Um we're just we've got 20 different species of animals. There's — two of the species that are actually extinct in their native country. So one of the plugs I would like to say is that you know hunters are the best the best and the biggest conservationists in the world. — You know that's uh that's what we do. You know if there wasn't a value in an animal and somebody hunting it then why would you have it? — Yeah. — So it's just a it's a cycle. You know, like in Africa, if it wasn't for the hunters there, they're the only ones that basically protect the animals because the government does not. — So again, conservation to me is extremely important because I want my kids, grandkids, and all them to still be able to watch the wildlife whether they hunt or not. It's not important, but you got to be able to see the wildlife. — Yeah. Has to be a balance in the nature there. And some of the things that we do as humans, we kind of tend to unbalance things, you know, — very much — like uh I remember the wolves were, you know, they kind of [ __ ] up the environment by killing off all the wolves up in Wyoming. And I love wolves. Um do you have any uh filetmen I can hunt down there? I usually like hunting filet minan on the weekend. — Well, yeah, absolutely. It's just do you want it as a stag or an elk? — Oh, I've had elk steak and deer steak. That's some good stuff there. — Yes, sir. — Uh so yeah, so people can come down. how do they get involved? How do they find out

more uh and stuff for you? — So, again, kind of going back to the, you know, to the website, there's tons of information on there. There's information about the, you know, the missions that we try to do or our ecosystem, the way I kind of look at it and all the things we try to balance out. But, uh, that give me a phone call. You know, my phone number's on there, my email is on there, and anything I could help with, I'd sure be glad to. — There you go. Oh, I'm looking at your guys's website here. You got whitetail packages? — Yes, sir. — Ram hunts, combo packages. Now, they can stay on your property, I guess, for lodging. Is that correct? — We do. We've got a I got a fivestar lodge, and there's 141 different species of animals in it that we've harvested through the years. Uh, let's see. Gun and bow range. So, you can hunt with a bow if you like. I know there's some wild people that can do crazy stuff with bows. — Yes. Yes, sir. And I'm not one of — Yeah, I shoot myself in the foot. — Oh, yeah. But uh you know I'm wild hogs. Let's see. Uh oh, you got taxiderermy and oh you got nonhoney guests. You can go down there and just hang out if you just want to hell away from everything. — Yeah. Corporate retreats. We do corporate retreats. Um we're associated now with basically the one of the few in this part of the state um wineries that we partnered with. So — there's all kind of things we can do coming down. And how close are you guys to Dallas? We're two hours from Dallas, but another nice thing is we're only one mile from a uh an airport that's got a 5200 foot runway. So, small jets can actually come in and we can pick you up in 5 minutes. — Oh, there you go. That's pretty good. Is that the DFW airport round trip, I think? Uh yes, sir. — I see on the website there. — Yes, sir. — You know, I'm single. Do you have any uh singles dating hunting for your uh significant other uh packages at all? — Absolutely. But I'm afraid you might not like the ones I'm going to bring you from Ali, Texas. Now, Dallas Fort Worth might be okay. But — I've seen some wild boars on Tinder, but those probably were guys, so — you never know. You have to ask them if it's the them day or whatever. So, — don't write me, ladies. Don't write me because I told the poor joke. Those are the dudes. I said it. Don't write me. But, uh, no, this is pretty cool. And, uh, if you want to get a looks like, uh, bison. So, you have bison there. Yep. We've got bison. — Bison. I love bison steaks. And meat. — Me. — Me, too. They're one of my favorites. — Oh, yeah. It's healthy for you, too. — It is low fat. — Yes, sir. — And uh Yeah. Just don't ever go up to one like Do you see those guys that do that in the Yellowstone? They go up to the bison and then they get gored and they're like, "Yeah, — what? " And you're like, — "Can't understand why. " Huh? — Yeah. Darwinism award right there. You giving any Darwinism? Think — we don't have any Darwin awards here. We, you know, — if they're check, if their check bounces, you're like, "Hey, go talk to that bison. He'll fix your check problem. " — He'll help you out. — I'm just So, there's sheep, ram, uh, white. Oh, we did the dough stuff. So, uh, yeah, you got all sorts of You said 22 variations. — Yeah, there's nil guy. We've got black buck, — the stag, you know, the elk. — Uh, we've got Pierre David. That's one of the ones that's extinct in its native land. — So yeah, there's a variety of everything. — I've been trying to hunt some Victoria Secret models. You got any there them down there? — No, I don't think my wife would be really happy with me. — Well, it's I don't know what kind of operation you're running down there. — One to keep me from getting divorced because I'm way too old to start all over again. I have a big 5,000 member uh dating group up here in Utah. And so we hold events where people can meet the oldfashioned way, right, in person. And uh then they can smell each other and decide if they like each other. And uh so it's kind of like a hunt that way. — Well, there you go. I mean, she wolves hunt with her nose. I guess why can't we, right? — I suppose so. I've been told I can't smell butts anymore. So anyway, I don't know. — Oh, well, there you go. — I have two dogs, so that's a dog joke, folks. Um, what else do we need to know about some of the stuff you're doing? You got corporate uh gigs. So, if people want to do the corporate retreat, they want to get away from the office and the Xerox copers, they can come down there. — Yeah, absolutely. You know, and whether that's like you said, it's just a retreat to get away have your own conference or what you want to do or it's basically, you know, something to do with hunting, we can facilitate whatever you need. — Yeah. Now, if I don't like my boss or coworker, can I pull one of them Dick Cheney accidents? Uh, when I'm out hunting, — as long as you sign my release first, — I'll just bring Dick Cheney with me. I think you're You'll be fine. — He'll help you. — How do you shoot your own lawyer in the face? I mean, — yeah. Not sure. — Well, I mean, if you owe him money, I mean, that's what — another story, right? That's going to be an additional fee, I think, from him on the thing if he lives. So, there you go. Well, this is great. I you

know, we've had a lot of uh veterans on the show. people who uh have PTSD and different ways they've dealt with it. But, uh you know, being out in nature and fresh air, and that's what, like I say, what I like about going out uh doing my shooting with a photo camera. I do that because I probably would shoot myself in the foot. uh or worse. I've I played hard mode on Call of Duty and I'm the guy who always kills everyone with friendly fire. So, you know, they're never g they're never putting me in the military. They'll just look at my Call of Duty stats and go, — "Yeah, we're not giving him a gun. Give him like a camera and he can take photos of war or something. " But, uh no, being present, you know, fresh air, it re it really refills my bucket. um being out in nature and I think we need more of that. In fact, last time I went up the canyon to shoot. Um I was looking at some of the homes up there and I was like, you know, really would be nice maybe to have one of these places and you could just go out in the morning and start your day in nature and have a coffee on the patio, you know, uh you know, share one with an elk or something or a moose, be like, "Hey, you want a cup? I'll make you a cup. " So, you know, there you go. No, there there's nothing greater than getting away from city lights and seeing stars and galaxies. I mean, it's just — Oh, yeah. The stars, too. Yeah. — Oh, yeah. — That's the other thing I love. Like, I'm heading to V uh LA here, uh from Vegas, Utah, um next week. And I love stopping in the middle of the night on those, you know, deadend freeway exits that don't have anything. No gas stations, no nothing. They're just like, "The only thing here is serial killers, man. So watch the bushes when you stop. And you know, I love stopping and seeing, you know, the sky. Like I remember when I was a kid when we were boy scouts and we'd be up at the UNAS and stuff and just the beauty of it and it really refills your bucket. Like I come back on Monday and I don't want to kill anybody for at least four days. — That's a good thing. — Yeah. That's what my That's what the judge and my pro agent says. No more murdering. — Behind bars is not good. Yeah. So, I mean, uh, what a great way to reach out and help people. And, you know, a lot of military folks, they know guns. They know, you know, they know all the deets on the guns. I have a friend I play with. He's with the army. He's a gun dude for the army. So, he knows like you probably shoot a gun. He'll tell you what kind of bullets you're using, what type of gun, you know, all that stuff. — So, this is a great way for them. And, you know, you uh you get your trophies. You can get a trophy you can mount on the wall, right? — Yeah. Absolutely. Yes, sir. — There you go. I've seen those guys who have those houses. You have one of those houses where the whole place is just filled with heads of trophies looking at you there. — There's 141 in the lodge. So, yes. — Holy crap. — Yeah. — The Do they glow at night ever? Like, have you ever turned out the lights? You're like, I feel like someone's watching me. — Well, you know, they could do that, but yeah, I just don't want to tell anybody that scare him away. But I you know, it's possible. — Yeah. I'm thinking of that Dudley Moore scene with the Arthur where he's talking to the old man and he taps I think the moose on the face or something. He goes, "This is a tough room. " And uh I don't have to tell you that. So there you go. Uh anything more we want to know and cover before we go out. — Yeah. Just appreciate the opportunity to be on the show. Thank you for letting me spread the word about what we do and — you know the book and uh and the ranch. — Yeah. More men need to tribe up. They need to hang out with each other. They need to refill their buckets. And uh you know, I mean, women fall in love with you when they miss you. So, you got to leave every now and then. That's why they don't like you hanging around all the time. So, you know, make them appreciate you. Plus, you know, you can get some sanity and talk to some people that use logic and reason and stuff. But, no, I think more men need to do this. Men are so isolated now. You know, you see so many men that, you know, I heard a comedian or somebody say this right now, what men have to do is they're not even welcome in their own homes. Most times they're just relegated to the only piece they can have is the dirtiest place in their home, the garage. Or even more pathetic, when I see the uh the basement, my my wife says I can have a cave, a basement, what do they call the men's cave? In the basement, there you go. I'm just like, "Hey, if you're paying for that whole house, that house is yours, man. If I want to poop in a corner, I will. " But that's probably why I'm still single. Anyway, speaking of, uh, I got to go find a corner. So, anyway, don't do that, folks. We're just joking here. Don't write me. Uh, so this is wonderful. I'm glad you're doing this. I'm glad you're helping people. I'm glad you're spreading the message. You know, we need to do something about men's suicide. We carry a lot with us. We don't talk about it. Um, and you know, sometimes, you know, talking to other men's really important. I went through that with COVID. You know, all my

buddies that we used to travel and hang out and party at events and do all the conferences and stuff. Uh, that all got shut down. So, we couldn't hang out anymore. And then, you know, we reached a point where, you know, you didn't know if your friend got CO, he'd be gone tomorrow. We started telling each other, "Hey, man, I love you. " because we didn't know if that was going to be the last call because you know when CO started you know it was a wild card no one knew — you know and now I've got friends I had a friend call me yesterday and he goes I have stage four cancer and he's uh a little bit older than me but he's a good friend — and uh you know these are things that you know sometimes men can only talk about between each other — you know and a lot of the world you know men talk about their problems and like we don't care it's all about us and you're just like well must be fun so Yeah, you need other men. You need to and being out in nature and present, fresh air, all the good stuff there. — Yes, sir. — So, I I'll have to come down and hunt me a fellan or maybe a ribeye. — Come on down. You're welcome. — There you go. Well, uh, give us a final plug out to all your dotcoms, Victor, before we go and wherever you want people to get to know you better. — I appreciate it. So, the man that I would become, it's on Amazon. You can find it there. Uh, you can either also do my name, Victor Bing. Then the ranch is — bingexanrianch. com. — And all of my information is there from all our social media and Facebooks and LinkedIn. You can look me up on LinkedIn. I actually have a newsletter on LinkedIn that uh basically leaders that give win. — So there's a couple places if you just do a little Googling you could find us. Well, thank you very much, Victor, for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. It's been fun to have you. — Thank you, sir. — Thank you. And thanks very much for tuning in. Order up his book, Wherever Fine Books Are Sold. It's called The Man That I Would Become out March 30th, 2026 by Victor L. Breening. Thanks so much for tuning in. Go to goodreads. comrisf linkedin. com Chris Foss one on the Tik Tocky and all those crazy places on the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you guys next time. — You've been listening to the most amazing intelligent podcast ever made to improve your brain and your life. Warning. Consuming too much of the Chris Wis Show podcast can lead to people thinking you're smarter, younger, and irresistible sexy. Consume in regularly moderated amounts. Consult the doctor for any resulting brain lead. All right, Victor, we