The Chris Voss Show Podcast – Power of Attorney and Guardianship: A Guide For Families And Health...

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go through these processes. If you have aging parents, if you have children that are minors, these things are very important to know about. H now the power of attorney and then guardianship these are two different things kind of aren't they probably work together in some facet but is do I have that understanding correct — yes that is correct or of attorney is different documentation than guardianship — and in fact there's something in the book that touches on surrogacy laws which is very important for people to understand because what if there is no power of attorney. guardianship set up and somebody needs to be making decisions for you? Maybe there was a car accident and all of a sudden you're not able to make those decisions. So, who's making those decisions? You don't have power of attorney. You don't have guardianship set up. There are surrogacy laws. And so, I you got to make sure you like the person you're living with because the surrogate is going to be your spouse or your domestic partner. That's going to be the first what person they go to. — Wow. — Is that also the person who might inherit the insurance policy if I if they decide they don't want to they want to kick the plug out on me because they have power of attorney. — Hopefully, you've got people that are really lobbying for your best interests in those situations. — I don't know. I mean, a lot of these married people at co they found out most of them didn't like each other, you know. And I I've heard some stories, too, about some of these marriages. I don't think I'd ever trust somebody in the case that they also have beneficiary to my life insurance. You know what I mean? I'm just being funny. Now, guardianship, that's a little bit different, right? Where is that where is that where I mean, obviously, are you guardian over your children, right? Until they hit 18. Isn't that just a de facto thing or is it not? — Yes. So, guardianship comes into play. for example, recently had a resident that came into a nursing home where I was the administrator and he didn't know anything about his finances. He didn't know he has a house. It's it is on his face sheet that he has a house. Doesn't know anything about his finances. Doesn't know how to log into his bank. Doesn't know those. So in those cases, a stateapp appointed guardian is lobbyed for so that someone can be making decisions for this person. And you know, therefore, you know, we go through the court system through the guardianship process. As a nursing home administrator, I'm going to set up with a stateapp appointed guardian, which is just someone that works for the state and makes decisions based on what that person needs. You know, what what's going on? If they have a house, do they want to use it for their care? And it's always so important that even if somebody is not decisional, they can still tell us some of what is important to them. you know, always making decisions based on what it is that they want. — Yeah. And and looking out for folks, you know, I mean, we live in this environment right now. I I think in sometime in the last month, we had a guest on who introduced me to the phrase the sandwich generation or the sandwich parents or something like that. But basically, it is the we know we have people living older and longer than ever before in human history. I mean, back 100 years ago, I was dead. Most people were dead by the time they were my age. I think 45 or something was like the peak. And even when they created social security, you know, I think 10% of people hit 65. You know, US government, this is a great deal for us. Now they're like, "Ah crap, how are these people living? Let's come up with things to kill them. " Anyway, let's start a war. Anyway, it's 2026, folks, if you don't understand that joke. But so we have these and I guess the sandwich parent or the sandwich generation now the problem they have is they have children on one side of the sandwich that you know they have to take care of and then they have parents on the other side of the sandwich they have to take care of. So they're literally taking care of two different people probably changing diapers on both ends. I don't know. Yeah. — Exactly. — Now let me ask you this is my sister has been in had MS and she had a very early and it's the disabling one and you know she spent the last 10 or 15 years in would you call them nursing homes or care centers? Is there a difference? — You could call it a nursing home, skilled nursing facility. Those are one and the same. — Yeah. and it's been an interesting thing to see some of these centers and how they operate and stuff and different things and she's moved between about four or five of them and uh let's just say for a for an example of

how a power of attorney should be used. Let's just say that maybe a psychiatrist recently started coming in and having her sign papers to receive psychiatry care and my mother has power of attorney. My sister is in full dementia and MS dementia from MS. So should that have happened in that case if that say if it were to happen? — No. It in the case that a person is incapacitated and cannot making cannot be making decisions. There are a lot of cognitive tests that nursing homes are required to perform. And if those cognitive tests are in a certain format and they have a decisional person like your mom who's the power of attorney that is the person who should be signing those forms. — H what would you do to reconcile that if that happened? You know if it happened — I think you know you want to look at what does your mom also want what this person is advocating for? You know there are — they did it right behind her back assuming that it happened. was without. — Yeah. If that's the case, I would definitely first go seek the administration of the facility so that you can let them know what your wishes are. As you know, your mom as the power of attorney has the right to say, "I don't want this for my child. I did not sign off on this paperwork. This needs to be reversed. " — Yeah. I mean, she can't even she can't make decisions at home. my brother who hasn't seen her in a few years went and visit her yesterday and he she didn't remember him and you know I mean that's where we're at but yeah this is a very powerful thing and I think as you know more and more of this sandwich generation folks they're dealing with dementia Alzheimer's um it's very sad to watch someone disappear and they're still alive in front of you know they're not dead — but they disappear and they don't recognize you or you Well, sometimes you have to deal with their anger, at their confusion, and stuff like that. — Yes. But, you know, there are still so many ways to connect with somebody, even if they're nonverbal, even if they have dementia, those all of those things that make them incapacitated. Have you ever seen people who respond to music that have dementia? you play a song they can connect with and all of a sudden they're singing the song and you're like, "Oh my goodness, this person couldn't even talk. " — And so there are still so many ways to connect with people once they go into the realm where they're not able to communicate the ways they used to. — I think we had someone on a few weeks ago. We have everybody on at this point pretty much who talked about that. And I remember seeing the special on Tony Bennett when he was in the throws of dementia and they said, you know, we can still just put him on stage, hand him a mic, and suddenly as soon as the piano starts playing, he turns on and he sings this music. And it's kind of like a muscle, but it also helps him to my understanding stuff like that. coloring books, music, whatever, you know, old things that can trigger who they used to be or what they used to love can help be that connector. — Yes, absolutely. In fact, there are ways to even tell, you know, someone who is incapacitated and maybe they can't speak with you, but they can still make facial expressions. They can still tell you in certain ways what they want. And so in my book, Power of Attorney and Guardianship, I talk a lot about making sure that we're advocating for those people in the correct capacity, you know, are we really doing what's right for th those loved ones that are in those situations that can't make their decisions? And — what prompted you to write this book? What was the motivation behind it? Being in the nursing home industry for 19 years as an administrator, I saw that there were so many families that were struggling with what to do. What do I do with power of attorney? How do I get these things work? And so I wanted a guide for the families and I found that also fellow colleagues have found the book to be helpful for them as well for people who are in the healthc care field but really need you know some guidance on what these things mean and how to go about them. — This is really important. I mean I think during co you know me and my mom looked at each other and you know she's she and I are the last of the family and then my sister at least that we talk let's put it that way and we realized that we could become capacity with co you know I mean co was when it first came out it was pretty hefty and I got it four years later and it kicked my ass it tried to kill me so I'm glad I didn't get the original version of it and you know I had four virus shots in

me and it still tried to take me out. And so we did the thing where we went and got the legal documents signed and notorized where if we were to be incapacitated, couldn't make decisions for ourselves because we're like, you know, this co was really crazy how fast it was moving and you know, you couldn't even be in the hospital with your person. We had all those signs. So, we got anticipation for that. And then, you know, it's good to have because if, like you say, if you're in a situation where you can't decide. I remember I recently went into surgery this year for this last year for two hernas and the hospital made a big stink about it and I was like, what's the big deal? And they're like, well, you know, you end up, I don't know, vegetative state or you end up, you know, and then, you know, this is a non-resesscitation thing, too. Do you get into that the decision of whether or not they should pull the plug on you? those things would be covered indefinitely in all of your what you want for what happened. So in the power of attorney you can define those things. You know what is it that you want? Do you want — support of life? Do you want a machine to keep you alive or you know what is it that you want? You can put those things right into your power of attorney paperwork. — Yeah. I just told him to hook up a podcast mic in the thing so I can keep doing the show. Even though I don't know, I'll probably tell better jokes if I'm incapacitated. I don't know. Yeah, they probably be better. Yeah, it's listening to you drool might be more interesting than what you do now, Chris. Anyway, that's why we have wonderful guests on. Anything more you want to talk to us about this book and we'll move to your other two books if not. — Yeah, additionally, I think it's really important to think about what kinds of things would I want. You know, as you said, you went and got that paperwork signed and you have everything mapped out, but a lot of people don't have it mapped out. Do your loved ones know what you want when something goes down? — You know, would they know what to do with your house? all of those things that are very important to us in our waking state should be important to us if something happens as well. — Yeah. I mean, my mom has, you know, she has specific interests. She's obviously older than me. I hope. That'd be weird if it wasn't, but I don't know. I guess she could adopt me. I don't know. Anyway, why would you adopt an adult? Children older than you. Anyway, she's a joke, folks. This is the best I got. That It's early. But, you know, she wants to she wants to go stay in her home as long as she can. You know, no one wants to die in a hospital or care center. I mean, they're very necessary for, you know, the conditions that you're in where you can't take care of yourself. You need people to bathe you and and, you know, make sure you're okay and have medical there for you at Beck and Call. But, you know, I mean, she wants to, you know, die in her home. She wants to enjoy in her home as long as you can. You know, I don't want to die in a hospital bed. I think if I was at that moment, I'd just be like, "Can you just wheel me out front so I can see the sun one last time? " How about No, that's super powerful. What you're saying is so true. You know, I've been — in the nursing home setting for over 19 years. And when you see people, I try to connect with them. What is it that you want? You know, what is it that you want? I do an I wish program at every facility that I oversee. And what that means is, for example, I had a hospice resident and he said, you know, I just want this certain dish. I just want this. One of our residents said, "I just want some chitlins. " And so one of our social workers made that for him. And it was so beautiful, you know? I mean, what a way. One of the hospice residents said, "I want to see my son perform in high school band. " So, we got him there with our caregivers. And you know, there's something so powerful about what you're saying. You know, I would just You said, "I would just want to see the sunshine. " And there's everyone has those wishes. And so it's super important that we tune in with those things. — And I want In-N-Out Burger delivered every day and fed to me. — Get it all down. — I'm not sure that some of that would be healthy for me in that state of dementia or probably make it work, but you know, whatever we could do there. So we have that book there and then you have two other books that we wanted to touch on. Which one do you want to talk about first? We'll talk about Katie cooks for you with love. That was actually created with all of my children's favorite recipes. So all their favorite things like they love the chicken noodle soup. And so over time I've created these recipes for them, their favorite things. And this is what the book is. — Chicken bacon burgers on a pellet smoker.

That sounds good. — Oh, yes. Yeah, that does sound good. It might have to take a break to go eat some really quick, folks. — Yeah, sounds good. Yeah, it's my one of my children has type 1 diabetes and so it was very important that I was creating things with higher protein. You know, some of the recipes have higher protein. His favorite is the meatloaf that is in the cookbook as well. Yeah. So, I found also, you know, being a working mom, you need some recipes that are quick and easy. You know, some of these in the cookbook are a little more take a little more time, but some of the recipes you can get home, whip it up, have it on the table, and you've got some nutrients right there. — Now, it says Katie cooks for you with love. This seems like it's a little misleading because you're not coming over and cooking. You're just giving me your book. — I am. I do have a few YouTube videos out there and I'd be happy to cook for people as well if that should ever arise, but I do it is a passion of mine to — to cook for the people that I love. And — every Christmas I have everybody over at my house. I cook for 12 hours and making everybody's favorites. I I love to cook for people. — Do you have any adoption options at your home at least around Christmas time? — Sure. — I'm a single guy, man. Anytime anybody offers me like home-cooked food, I'm like, I'm I'll be there in a minute. What do you want me to bring? I'll be there. There's nothing like homecooked food cuz I you know, I live out. I always eat out of that. I eat pretty well fine dining and stuff, but you know, I also eat some crap, but yeah, it's cooked meals is the best. I used to go over to my friends house when their their wife or their parents would cook for Thanksgiving or something and they're like, "Is Chris still in the kitchen? " And, you know, I'm just sitting there just eating everything and they're just like, "Is he okay? " Yeah, he's single. He's a single guy. No one feeds him. So, he just loves home-cooked feels, home-cooked meals. You know, my mom, my grandma's like that. She could she I don't know what it was, but she could cook with love. — And you, — that's amazing. — You go in and she'd be and you'd be like, she'd be like, "What do you want? What I'll make you anything you want. What do you want? " And you you'd tell her and you kind of knew what she always made and she'd make it with love and then she'd sit and talk to you with you in the thing and boy, it was so wonderful. Now, was she was your grandma the one to have the parties like Christmas and celebrations Thanksgiving, Christmas, and we'd have this huge table and three families of the sons over and yeah, we'd do the big spread there that thing. Yeah, it was always wonderful. And home-cooked food is just I don't know, it's just made better than you know the crap you get at McDonald's. — Yes. And we actually grow our own garden as well. — Yes. Some of the recipes have some garden inspired recipes to them. — That's what we need. More gardens, folks. Eat it. Eat at home. I buy most of my food from a local farm and salads and fruits and vegetables and eggs and meat and all that sort of stuff. And boy, eat the quality is so much different than the crap you get at the store. And it's fresh. — Yeah, definitely. And it can really inspire you to cook some different things if you grow something, you know, like a cotton candy pepper. Have you ever heard of that? — No. What? — There there's all different kinds of peppers out there. And so some of the things we grow inspire me to make some different types of things. — So it tastes like cotton candy but it burns your mouth off. How does that work? No, it just it kind of has stripes on it and it it's not a hot pepper. — Oh, okay. All right. So, it's not like a ghost pepper that tastes like cotton candy while your face melts. — No. — You're like you're sweating profusely from that ghost pepper and you're like but it tastes like cotton candy. I don't know. So, people can learn from that. you know, it's and of course type 1 diabetes, you know, you got to be mindful of of, you know, the sugars and insulin response and all that sort of stuff. So, eating healthy is really important for those folks, too, as well. — Yeah. And, you know, a lot of people don't realize type 1 diabetes is usually caused by your own immune system attacking the pancreas. — Oh, really? — Yes. You know, type 2 diabetes is when you abuse your pancreas over years. Type one diabetes is usually the immune system attacks the pancreas and then it's no longer functional.

— It's wonder I have type two because of all the abuse I gave myself. I used to do 15 Mountain Dews a day, huh? I still look back and go, what the hell was I doing? That was a that was a dark part of my life or something. I don't know. Something like that. But yeah, I mean, eating healthy, eating good foods, you know, learning to cook at home, you know, there's so many people that feed their kids these processed foods. You know, I shudder to think about all the what they used to call those things, the fish fingers, you know, — fish sticks. Yeah, — fish sticks. And I think we used to put our fingers in our arm. But, you know, we were creative when we were kids cuz we didn't have iPhones. We just had dirt claws and fish fingers. But I remember, you know, the frozen foods and all that crap. And now I just look at that stuff and I just go, man, what kind of rock out we're eat? And but, you know, we're I don't know. — Yeah. And I still throw some of that kind of stuff into the rotation, you know, depending on what's going on. If you got to look at the nutrients, you know, what are you getting out of it? If you look at the package and you're getting some kind of vitamins, minerals, th those kinds of things can still be had through frozen things. But it is so much better when you cook from scratch. — And let's round out to your other book, Divorce Without a Lawyer, a beginner's guide. I hope it's a beginner's guide cuz you know, is there advanced level by your fourth or something? — I just the reason I created that book, all of my books, any book that I've written, I've written it to help people in certain ways. And so I was sitting next to someone on an airplane who was running a homeless shelter and she was describing that there are people that are stuck in marriages and homeless shelters and they have no way of getting out of this marriage. And so I was able to draw from some experience that there are economical ways to go through a divorce. And I like that because I've had friends that have gone through divorce court and the money they have spent I'll give you an example. So I had a good friend and he they weren't married. They were living together and they had some twins and they decided they didn't like each other which they should have figured out long before because I figured out they didn't. But they had kids and you know that's kind of the they figured out what creates that stuff and evidently they should have stopped that but they didn't and they had kids so when they separated you know they had to figure out who got control of the kids and who got paid and you know all that stuff and I remember my friend and and this is I don't want to say a lot of attorneys do this but many attorneys they're just in it for the money and they build for time and they understand their the reququum of the court and you know there's a lot of stalling you can do throughout these courts and I would I would watch my friend being led around by his attorney and of course her attorney was leading and you know gassing her up too into this big fight and they both each at first the judge said you know here's the options what we'll probably have here of who gets what and what gets who and who gets this and who has to you know spend more time with the kids and it was pretty obvious because he was a work at home entrepreneur photography father and she was would fly to San Francisco all the time to do account work at a big accounting firm. So she was never around much but somehow she suddenly wanted to be a stay-at-home mom and then he was supposed to pay for everything and the judges not the way you guys are set up. No, it's not happening. And so they decided they want to fight over it and you know both attorneys are gassing them up. They each spent on credit cards $50,000 each. $100,000 to pay their attorneys to fight over stupid And in the end, when they finally ran out of credit card room and, you know, realized that what the hell's going on here and that they're being, you know, let around by the nose by the attorneys, they finally settled. And you know what they got in the settlement? They got the exact damn thing the church was going to give him in the first place. And I said to him, I go, "You have two kids and you just blew out 100 grand out your ass. You could have put it into a college fund. You're going to definitely need to raise those kids. " And you just did it for the vanity project of throwing at each other. I mean, they were just in there. You know, this one time he didn't do the dishes right or something, you know. — Oh, yes. That's so sad. And unfortunately, I do think that a lot of lawyers lead you in that direction because they're going to make more money off of it. But there is a way to get a divorce for $350. And — $350, I'll get married. Now, — the thing is though is you have to agree though. If there's disagreement

between the two parties, then it usually does end up being that you'll need a lawyer. Yeah. But you there's a form and you can go through the court system and you know you can legally get divorced for about $350, but — you have to both agree on everything. — Yeah. I think that the judge should be able to say you two people are being stupid and we're either going to take your kids if you're going to spend 100 grand fighting over dumb And I mean, I remember I went to court one day cuz he wanted me to testify and I think I testified. Um, and it didn't matter at all. I mean, the judges, yeah, we don't the judges, you know, all this you guys are putting up is just I mean, it's not going to affect the outcome in any way, shape, or form cuz they're not worried about whether or not Bob didn't put the dishes right back in. Or maybe he put the toilet paper on the wrong way. Whichever way you think that is. Don't write me folks. But yeah, so I mean there are certain there's certain mon you know I see people I know people that spend millions in divorce and I'm just like this seems really antithetical to the interest of the children. Give them the money. — Yes, I agree. And actually at certain points in time the court will appoint them their own lawyer. the children will have their own lawyer. Yes. Because — everyone's got a lawyer in this situation. — Well, they the court they have to make sure that — the children are being advocated for in the correct way. And that actually kind of goes back to the power of attorney and guardianship book, too. You know, who is going to have the guardianship over the children, right? — Yeah. I just put them up for adoption. That's what I did. Anyway, there's a joke I always do about how the reason I've never been married is I've been saving up for my first divorce and I've raised about 2 million and I'm just waiting for probably another million and then and then I'll get married. That's kind of joke I always run. But gez, this thing here where I can read your book and figure out how to do it without a lawyer for 350 bucks, I just might get married three or four times. I might be some polygamy. You got to just make sure that whoever it is, you get along really well with them so you can make the decisions together. — So I I'm trying to think of a joke there. I have one, but I'm not going to say it. Anyway, people that I get along with. So basically, I should marry my dog or something cuz it's about the only thing that unconditionally loves me and I get along with although they'll probably divorce me and take me to dog treat court or something. I don't know. Anyway, anything more we should know about divorce without a lawyer? — Just that there's also another option where you can go with the same lawyer. But again, it's got to be a situation where you're pretty much making the same decisions together because ultimately — like you talked about your friend and his ex-wife, ultimately they ended up making the same decision, right? And so if they had come together and said, "Hey, you know, let's just use one lawyer, that's another way that you can really cut the costs. " — Yeah. I mean, I just I think most people know that attorneys are going to gash you up on billables. I don't know. I maybe you have to be stupid not to know that. For some reason, they didn't cuz I remember the attorney called me up and he said, "We're going to we want you to drive down from Vegas and to California and testify. " And I'm like, "Is this really going to help my buddy? If I come down and testify, when we walk out of that courtroom, is he going to have his children? " And he's, "Oh yeah, oh yeah. " He gassed me up. And I said, "If I come down there, buddy, and this doesn't happen, I'm going to tear you a new asshole. " And I end up doing that. His attorney and cuz it didn't happen. I went down and testified and they went and the judge was like, "That's a cute story, man. Got anything else? " And but no, it's now. Now, do you cover one of the other ways you can do divorce without a lawyer, which is usually involves a pillow over the face and while they're asleep? — I'm just kidding. — No, nothing like that. — Don't do that, folks. Don't do that. Those are jokes. — Always good terms. — Good term. I mean, it was good for me. All right. Well, I like how you played in the divorce without a lawyer and then you got the power of attorney guardianship thing right there. I see what you've done there. You've kind of connected the two books. E maybe — definitely and all of my books have there's they're a way to help people. So there will be more coming out. I'm working on a children's book right now and I'm going to be working on a book regarding nursing home setting and all of the different things that we deal with there where we are required to do some of the same things that a hospital does with 300% less reimbursement.

— Whoa. I just got the bill the a few months ago for my hospital stay. It was $125,000 for hernia repair and Yeah. so expensive. — Yeah. And I was like there for 3 hours or something. I don't know. And yeah, I was like, "Wow. " Okay. And yeah, thank god I had insurance. Like jeez. Wow. Now, have you ever thought about doing a tiein to your divorce without lawyer book? You could do a Katie cooks for you with hate and it's all cookbook how to poison your spouse so that you can get a divorce without lawyer. — No. Oh, only positive vibes from me. Only positive vibes. Nice. — Only nice. — You've given me some ideas books to write. — You know, I'm You know, it might take off better than these have. I don't know. You might want to try it out. But — yeah, I'll check with the attorney to see if that's a leap. Maybe do a joke book. I think people have done joke books about doing heinous acts and they're just like, "Yeah, we're just kidding, folks. These are just satire. " But do you have any anticipation for the other books you're working on of delivery dates when they'll be released? — Yes, the children's book should be later this year, probably the end, maybe November, December 2026. So that's exciting. the one regarding nursing home that will probably be several years still down the line. — Okay. Got to have that nursing home stuff. Yeah. It's is it going to be about advocating in nursing homes and care centers, advocating for your your person and trying to make sure they do their jobs. — Definitely. And also advocating for the employees. Do you know most nursing home employees don't even have time to take a break? Like the nurses that work for me, they don't even have time to take a break. I barely take a break because there's so much to do. make sure of. And like I said, you know, the hospitals are getting like 300% more reimbursement. So, they have a greater budget to work with the amount of staff they can have per patient. One of the things we've seen over the last 15 years of my sister being care centers is they used to be all like locally owned by some, you know, guy or family or whatever. And, you know, if you had a problem with them, you could just, hey, Bob, what's going on over there? And then they slowly got bought out by all these massive corporations. You know, they got the big box uh routine. And these guys just leaned out services and leaned out employees and just anything to cut costs. And you know, normally what we found over the last few years is they're horribly — staff. Yes. And you know, you've got to make sure you've got the right people in charge of what's going on as well. You know, I recently did an interview with someone who was doing a study on certain things regarding some of the topics that you've just touched on. But, you know, the leadership has to care. And if you don't have someone who cares that is leading a nursing home, then it to me those things that you're talking about are going to become so much worse and become such a problem for the people that are laying in bed in those nursing home settings. — And we see a lot of temp workers and coming in and out of different facilities. And these temp workers, you know, they're not there for a long term. And so a lot of them are just slumbing it as they go by. I'm not saying all people are slumbing it in the healthc care field there, folks. I'm just saying some of the situations of these big buyout companies, you know, and it and they've got to be paying way more than I mean, I'm just I've just seen some really poor management of some companies and you know, people's lives are on the line. you know, people, you know, there's been times at different facilities where my sister has sat in feces all day cuz no one changed her and no one kept track of it cuz I don't know, they were watching Tik Toks or something. I don't know what they're doing, but they're definitely understaffed. I see a lot of that nowadays where they need more staffing. They need better, higher quality people and it seems like a lot of the people just it's kind of like just a temp job just to do for fun until they can, I don't know, go work at a hospital or something sometimes. I don't know. I want to tell you that there are really truly dedicated people that care in the industry. Me being one, I have dedicated 19 years of my life. And in that time, that means I'm all I'm on call 24/7 during all of that time, answering calls about, you know, what's

going on with maybe there's a fire alarm that goes off or answering calls about, you know, someone fell and, you know, what did we do all the correct protocols and make sure that there is a safety measure in place so it doesn't happen again? you know, there's so much to it, but I you know, I want to tell you that there are some really dedicated people out there. I know what you're saying that there are some people who, you know, don't care and that's when it becomes a problem. But as the leader of a facility, you've got to be in tune with that and you've got to know who's on the right team, you know, to make sure that the loved one who's laying in that bed. That is the most important part of what we do in a nursing home is take care of that person laying there that can't make their decisions. And so, you've got to just have the right people in place. — Yeah. I need somebody for what I have insomnia. I'm just laying in bed at night and I can't make decisions about stuff and I'm just like, I don't know. Should I do X or Y? And then you're up all night worrying about it, thinking about it. Do I need guardianship for that? I don't know. — I think you're okay right now. — I don't know about that, but let's not push it. Anyway, no, I have really bad ADHD for a while here now, and it's come back. I started testosterone therapy a couple years ago, and boy, it came back. I had I thought I'd beaten with old age and just being broken down and ground down and whatever and then it's like oh no your testosterone is just low and they fixed that and then the ADHD is hey we're back man you miss us and I'm like no uh but here we are. So, anything more we want to plug as we go out doing any consulting, training, speaking, anything more that we want to plug? — Yes, I do speaking engagements. I have presentations on all of the topics that I've talked about and I actually have a website as well, katiecookswithlove. com, and you can see all of my books there and there is a way to email me through the website as well. So, if you, you know, have any desire to see more information on the power of attorney and guardianship, I have a 1-hour presentation on that. I'd love to come out and help folks guide through those different topics. — Yeah. You ever thought about moving to Utah to oversee a facility, — for your sister? Oh, is that where Yeah. You know what? I hope that you can find a place that has someone who really cares and, you know, puts their heart out there to make sure they are that your sister's taken care of. — They're trying to do the best job they can there. know assuming I made up all these stories to keep you know the scary thing is they can just evict these people if you you know you don't you you know raise a little bit too much hell or they don't like the person they're taking care of for they can just give them a 30 notice and kick them out. Is that a is that true? — I know it's true. — Not really. No, there's a whole process cuz um there's a it's something — there's a process called involuntary discharge, but usually it's only for non-payment. You know, each state is a little bit different. So, in the state of Illinois, there is something called involuntary discharge, but it's usually only if there's non-payment. — Ah. Ah, that's kind of interesting. We'll talk after the show. So, it's been wonderful to have you on. Give people your final pitch out on the books and doss and where they can find you and the YouTube channel too. — You can find me at katiecookswithlove. com. I would love to come and tell you more about these topics. If you're interested, check out my YouTube as well, Katie Dewart. And I look forward to seeing some great people benefit from this information. — Yeah. Thank you very much, Katie, for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. — Thank you so much for having me. — Thank you. and thanks for tuning in. Order up her book wherever refined books are sold. It's called Power of Attorney and Guardianship, a guide for families and healthcare personnel. Out November 12th, 2024, and you can find her other books there as well on the Amazonian website. I don't know what the So, thank you for tuning in everyone. We certainly appreciate it. The Amazonian website. I don't know what I'm up to there. Does Jeff Basos going to sue me now? Anyway guys, go to goodreads. com. LinkedIn. com Chrisphos. It is pretty wild site. So you know it's Amazonian and all those places on the internet. Be good to each other. Stay safe. We'll see you next time. You've been listening to the most amazing intelligent podcast ever made to improve your brain and your life. Warning, consuming too much of the Chris Show podcast can lead to people thinking you're smarter, younger, and irresistible sexy. Consume in regularly moderated amounts. Consult the doctor

for any resulting brain lead. All right, there Katie.