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Uhhuh. We live. I don't There's no melody for what I was just trying to sing. There's I don't know where that came from. Hey, welcome Gina, Emma, Ashley, the SMECO, Annne Brown, all the all the peeps are peeping. The hoes are hoing. I remember there was this um it was like the spinal tap for like gangster rap music. It was wasn't CB4. I didn't like that movie. It was called Fear of a Black Hat. It was like this totally weird cult movie and it was like 1994 or something and they had this fake band uh nwords with hats. That was the whole thing cuz they got hats now. And they had all these Why was I even talking about this? They had a bunch of really funny parody rap songs. So they were NWH nwords with hats and they had a song I you know it was all parody of like the early gangster rap stuff. They had a song called [ __ ] the security guards. So they were like uh NW say [ __ ] the security guards. You're not a real cup but still you try to act hard. I was like that's pretty funny. I agree. [ __ ] the security guards. Police I'm all right with security guards. No. And no comment on ice because that [ __ ] is getting live right now. Wow. Anyways, uh everything's a view. All views are partial. I'm staying out of it. Um although nurse, a nurse, an ICU nurse, guys. Come on. Come All right. Pip, how you doing? Rna, what's up? Alter Bridge fan. Post Snowageddon. That's right. Everywhere in the country is snowmageddon except for here in Cali is like 60 and sunny, but you know, we're probably gonna enter another dry spell where we'll end up with a drought or something. So, nothing's ever really good. Uh, and it's all perfect. Yeah, Mass, [ __ ] the security guards. You're not a real cop. Still you try to act hard. Oh, man. Um, Amish Paradise is a great gangster rap song. As I walk through the What was it? I walk I harvest my grain. I take a look at my wife and realize she's really plain, turnurning lots of butter. Uh yeah, dude. Weird Al. Amish paradise. Keep spending most our lives living in anish paradise. Oh man. Iced and snowed in at Greensboro, North Carolina. Damn, Evelyn. What is the meaning of that? That is too much ice. Yeah. And the south, the dirty south gets that those ice storms and y'all aren't really equipped. So like the power lines sag, branches be breaking. You know what I mean? I don't know why I'm talking like doing this thing with my head. I'm not sure why I'm wearing my glasses. I think so. I could read your comments. Laura loves playing says, "Hello, Patrick. It's 80 in Panama. " Dude, you're in Panama. You lucky son of a Panama. Um Canadian nurse here, Nick. you. Hell yeah, Laura. Thanks for all you do. Uh yeah, murdering a nurse is not okay, Sue. Like, I don't know. Like, just politically, let's just be real for a second here. I don't give two shits about Trump or anti-Trump or any of that [ __ ] cuz it's all views and I don't care unless it affects me right now. Like, it doesn't exist cuz that's just how things are here. But like you [ __ ] with a nurse, you have no idea for they already [ __ ] with nurses saying they're no longer a professional degree, right? Like there those midterms are going to suck for Trump because he's [ __ ] with nurses. Like that's one thing you don't do. Everybody knows that. Joy Behar learned that when she [ __ ] with nurses on the view. She got served. She had to apologize and [ __ ] So you going to see it's one thing. Okay, shoot a nurse. That's fine. That happens. People get shot. But then refer to the nurse as a domestic terrorist who intended on massacring a bunch of ICE people. That that's not Oh, they [ __ ] that up. Yeah, that's not going to go well. Um, but okay. What's up, Alaska? Good to see you, Jolene. I would like my snow back, please. You have inflicted this polar vortex on the rest of the country, Jolene. And I blame you. I blame the bald eagles up there. I blame the caribou or whatever the hell it is and it's perfectly awesome. I loved Alaska when I visited. It was so awesome. Um 71 degrees in Phoenix. Nice Janice. See us western southwestern people know what know how to do this game. Um hi Sandra. Maz says it's raining in the UK. Big hugs to American nurses. Awesome.

Awesome. Yeah. Rainy Minnesota. Rose camper grandchild lives in the neighborhood of the shooting. Hard to tune it out. See, now when you live there, it's kind of like that is important. That exists in that moment. Just like if you're in Iran right now as a normal citizen, the Iranian repression exists for everyone else. It's a story, right? It's a pro projection and it's filtered through press. So, you have no idea what's actually happening. That's the interesting thing about reality is like we're we construct the story as we go. what's here now. This is undeniable. So, you kind of have to act from reality. You can't do anything else. We're kind of like just responding to our environment. And I'm tired of responding to a created false imaginary environment. I would rather respond immediately. Which is why it's great these kind of live shows because now we kind of create this co- environment where we can make things feel real for each other in this space. It's kind of cool. I don't know what I just said. Marathon Monk, did you ever go through a phase of identifying as awareness? It seems like a lot of teachers start with that. Um, this identifying as awareness thing is fascinating. So I have had these uh profound Okay. How okay this is such man Marathon that's a great because I've been sitting with this a bit because you know people like Nisarodatada and these other people they'll say uh rest as the I am which is another way of saying identify with awareness like forget about the contents that are happening like your body your thoughts your sensations your stories about ice or not ice or whatever it is or snowageddon those are all appearances what you rest as is the witness the I amness the sense of eye that is prior to all this and accommodates all this and of which all this is made. So it's kind of like a stepping back a level to something that you can't um you can't really objectify. It's like a it's a higher view of like I am awareness itself. I'm no longer the contents of awareness. So that misapprehension dissolves. So nisarodatada will say rest as the I am. So that's a solvent. It's a universal solvent that dissolves the ego. It dissolves the identification with the ego. So as a practice or as a step theoretically it can be powerful. And for Nisarodatada it was because he rested as awareness until awareness itself dissolved. So, it's not the final thing. It's a sense of relief. spaciousness. It's a sense of a new identity, a bigger, more spacious identity. And it can feel like you're fully enlightened. Like, yes, this is what I am. I am this awareness. But that's another identity. And it's and if it's experiencable and awareness is an experience like I am an awareness feels like something doesn't it? If those of you have touched into this, it's like so what's that about? Like it can't be the prime root reality because it can come and go too. Like under anesthesia, under propall, there's no I am awareness. There's no I am. It's gone. So I am disappears. So what's prior to I am? That's where you cannot say a word. So the question was, but Marathon Monk, did I ever have that phase where I rest as awareness? Absolutely. Except I'm going to be totally honest. Like it always felt like [ __ ] to me. Like even when it felt like really spacious and like oh my god expansive and like everything's happening inside me, that's kind of what it felt like or what it can feel like. And I've done videos where I've pointed at this thing early on. Like few years ago, I was like, "Guys, let's get into the present moment right now. " Like that's somewhere to go, right? And I was like, I was on a Facebook live. I was talking about like COVID or some [ __ ] talking about Fouchy, like that. And someone was like something about the present moment. I was like, "Oh, you want to do presence? Let's do presence right now. " And I put the camera down and I was just like drop into this and I pointed it right into the I amness. And I know because a lot of people responded to that video like what was that? That's that sense of I am awareness. Everything is just a palpable presence. But even then it's like well that comes and goes there's something there's a s a clear sense that this isn't the final thing

like this is not liberation. This is some nice thing you know like a mystical experience or a not even that. It's it's still an experience. So early on, I think when I first had this kind of shift in 2012 that was a nothing. It was just like pop. Uh there was this un this just indescribability that nothing's Like actually none of that's happening. Awareness is just a vibr it's appearance. And really nothing sticks to what's this is which is not described to all that. It's not a thing. It gets really hard, right? This unborn like even that word is so stupid. So it never always seemed a little silly, but boy, it's nice when you're in it cuz you're just like whoa. And there's a lot of people who haven't really rested in awareness in that way. And they're still stuck in body and thought and story. And you can rest in awareness and still have body, thought, and story arise. No problem. There just isn't that identification. You're almost like, you know, like a a witness of that. And then everything can kind of just chill out and you can have just this pure awareness where it's awareness without content. And that's like the pure I am sense. And that can happen too. But it's another experience, isn't it? Because it's a happening. So this that I'm pointing toward is nowhere. It's nothing and it's prior to that. And that never really appears. And neither does anything. Everything is just kind of like it like it was a great way of saying this. Um all kinds of stuff is occurring but nothing takes place. Nothing ever becomes real. Nothing ever attains reality. It's all just like this waterfall of appearance. Including the sense of awareness, the sense of I am, the sense of awakeness. That too is a discrete nondiscreet waterfall of appearance. It's very strange when you think about it. That's why you can't think about it. You just have to go just go there. Which means just stop. Stop believing any of this. this to be existent, solid, permanent, even forget about permanent. It doesn't even happen in the way that you think. And so the I am awareness is a beautiful solvent to dissolve the sense of identification with ego, but it is another trap. Ultimately, it can be. Now, it's not a bad place to be trapped. So like you said marathon a lot of spirituality and spiritual teachers stop there or they focus on that and I can see why because it's accessible for the regular person in a sense it's relief and it definitely sells clicks, retreats, books and vibes cuz it's like hell yeah I am awareness instead of this [ __ ] identity I am Zubin and I'm like I'm the thing. I'm God basically. H interesting. So fortunately, I say fortunately, some might say unfortunately. That's not it. Like it goes infinitely down into no thing and then everything is seen as no thing. And guess what that feels like? Wow. Love. So totally paradoxical. Um, Pip says, "Identifying with awareness is a paradox in itself. Identity with nothing, identify with nothing is more accurate but hard to define. Recognize the all as all there is. But you have to Oh no, you scrolled. Where'd you go? Pip retracted it. Damn it. " You probably had to edit something. U, I was liking what you were saying, by the way. Um, New Day says, "Does it release some dopamine because I legit feel the hit the minute I fall into awareness? " Oh, hell yeah. a new day. It's a blissful ass thing. Like, dude, like just do it now. Just gosh, how can I point to this? Cuz you know, for me, okay, here's a problem. I used to be able to do this like as a practice. And between you, me, and the wall. Like, I have a hell of a time recreating that [ __ ] now because I know it's not it's another appearance. So, I have a real problem reifying it, like making it something that I can sit in cuz there's nothing happening. So, I don't know if I can even point to it now, but I'll try my best. Okay, here we are in the [ __ ] going on. And you take a breath in and just exhale and come right into this moment.

Just pure awakeness. Everything arising in its right place. Your body arises. The sensations in your body arises. Thoughts arise. But you are the stillness that all of this arises as every sound, every sight, every sensation, every smell, they are in you. only now and now. And now so if you can get into that kind of placeless place of that witnessing I amness that awareness it can feel really blissful. Now what's funny is as I was doing that I kind of touch into it but really nothing changed it's all just the phenomena dancing like they were never really arriving nothing to grasp onto no identity to hold on to like I am awareness makes no sense to me meaning whatever this constellation it just makes no sense but it did it seemed to. Anyways, so that's how it is here. And that, you know, that's a very disorienting thing when it first starts to happen because it is like the I am awareness is such a nice place. And I wished I could have stayed there. I wish there longer, but I couldn't. It was off the cliff into nothing. Is he and I don't regret it. Sorry, not sorry. Um, Alter Bridge fan says, "Right before I get it, it stings a little both sides of my head. I know when I feel it goes on about 5 seconds. Got about 5 seconds left. " Yeah. And you know, just that even your the way you're describing it, it's an experience, isn't it? This that I'm pointing at is not experience. There's no experience here. They're just Lori says, "For me, discovering how to bring myself into awareness of here and now created the space for unhealed, unremembered trauma to rise and for healing and release. " Beautiful. Because that's the space in which that work can happen. This neutral loving awareness that Ramdas speaks of I am loving awareness like is a crucible that allows you to bear that which you couldn't bear when you thought you were this separate struggling ego mind. So it is beautiful. Um, now it's interesting how it seems to happen is when different traumatic memories or something that's unresolved or unaccepted or unwelcomed arises. It feels like this. It's like that. There's nothing nice about it. because you it's just everything. It's absolutely everything with not a micron of distance between what you think you are and it it's just it and you can't do any of that. You try it and it's just like ah it gets even worse. And it's really funny how this [ __ ] shows up for me now. Gosh, like last night I had this dream where in the dream, man, this h it's painful even thinking about it because it's so um it just reminds me of what it's like to be just fully mind identified. Like so in the dream I was zuben going through some set of events and I was

at some I think I was at a retreat in my dream and there were people that I knew and I was seeking something like I wanted like I was lonely. I wanted connection. I wanted validation. I wanted to be loved. I wanted um in the dream, the dream character, the dream self that was constructed felt like an actual self. And it was wanting all this stuff and then not getting it in the dream. And I remember I woke up and I was just like, "Oh god, that was so painful. Oh my god. " I knew right away. I was like, "Oh my god, I was a self and I was seeking in the way that I used to seek and it was oh, and there was so much like selfhatred. Like what a disgusting creature just wants those things and like it's just so miserable and pathetic and like all this like unworthiness, self-hate, all from the dream. " And it was all felt like full on like it was absolutely real. But yet there was this knowing like this is all it's just and there's nothing you can do about it. And so I got up out of bed at like 3:00 a. m. and went sat in my chair and was just like ah just feeling this like oh god like that's what that's like. Like it it's just fullon. But you never the secondary sets of beliefs and pushing and pulling and it shouldn't be this way and all that. They're gone. And then as it arises, it's gone. And then the rest of the day, I'm just like, "Oh, wow. Well, that needed to be seen. There was something there felt like this validation seeking or loneliness or whatever it is, you know, like the wanting something from others that others will somehow make you feel okay. " Like I had to feel that again cuz that's deep conditioning. It's like there it is. the dream showing me because the dream reconstructed the self that suffers from that like suffers and there was suffering in the dream and then when I woke up I felt that suffering it's like whoa and so it's kind of like that so there's no like for me there was no resting in awareness as the witness of this it was just like no there was just that there's just that and then the next thing and no second arrow as Buddha would say of pushing and pulling or it should be other or whatever that didn't happen it was just There's this now. Yeah, you guys are my support group. I get to talk about all the things. Um, yeah, Ashley, you can't run away from it. Exactly. New day says, "Ooh, that was much needed. I'd buy your retreat. We support the grift. " Yes. Hell yeah. We're going to do some a lot of grifting here. Um, Resisting Resonance says, "Uh, thank you for all the content you create. I appreciate seeing your journey and the open way you share your experience. It helps me to transcend some of my ego nonsense as well. That's beautiful. It's all we're all, you know, like Ramdas. I love Ramdas now. I just He's just And he's not perfect. That's why I love him. We're all walking each other home, right? All of it. You guys are doing it for me right now because I get to express like this is my support. Um Dan says, "I want to experience that. I used to be embarrassed and ashamed in my dreams when I was naked or in a shameful situation, but now I just end up thinking, huh, I wonder how this happened. " Hey, that's a good place to be, Dan. That's what's arising, right? Like there's clarity there. Um, yeah, this was remarkable because I was like, whoa, this was really uncomfortable. It just really drove home that kind of suffering that's based on validation seeking that it was the core of this thing. Um, Emma says, "My dream self got a parking ticket last night. My dreams have gotten really dull these days. Dude, that's the best kind of dream. Most of my dreams are super mundane like that. Like super mundane. It's just like regular waking reality turns and shifts a corner into a mundane dreaming reality. That's typically what it's like. Yesterday was a little unusual last night. Pip says, "The last part of what I was saying was just that we have to try everything. Eventually, there's nothing left except what I call the magic space of nothingness. " Yeah. Yeah, nothingness. Pip, that's good because like I was even looking at some of the videos that I made recently where I was talking about the unborn, like the unmanifest, like this thing prior to all this, and I was watching it going, "No, that's not it. I don't know what he's talking about. " It's not it. It's not a thing. It's the See it's that nothing

nothing is born so nothing can die this talk of isness isn't so what's there when there's nothing this is another way of saying I've said this before you're already dead now what's this You're dead. There's no heaven or hell. You're just dead. You don't exist. What is this now? That's what it's like. Now, you would think, oh, that's nihilistic or there's some kind of void there or no, it's this radically unknowable free dynamic because it never stops and yet it never started. So again, like things are occurring but nothing takes place. So much fun. Hours of fun. Um, uh, Giran Sisman says, "Dreams are the best customized guides. I learn a lot of them. Yesterday I dreamed that I was standing in a blurry, dirty river that reflects my current state of mind. " Beautiful. Sending love for your blurry river. That's awesome. Lori says, "Now when something rises, I feel it. I visualize a rose, send the feeling into it, and explode the rose. Instant release of the pain. Then I return to presence and go on. " That's a great way to function. It's a great experiential hack to functioning. It's like a reframing, right? Or a visualization. Works great. I'm not good at that stuff. Um maybe I used to be, but I can't really do it now. So I'm just stuck with whatever is arising which the great thing is like there's not there's an okayess with it but still it's painful pain arises strongly hard to avoid impossible to Alter Bridge fan says we're all walking each other home I love that yeah Ramdas beautiful communicator Ashley says stress is so weird for me now I feel it in my body but my mind is quite quiet all of a sudden there's this pain and I'm like hm the story Makes it makes sense though. Yeah. It's like we feel these things and then there's story spins up and it's like this is what's happening to you. But it's impossible to believe the story now. The story still comes but it's just not. It's like no it's just this thing you know. Oh, dude. This morning was h so I'm just like sitting in my chair like it's 4 in the morning and I'm just like oh god like feeling this you know misery of mind identification and validation seeking and hell is other people and it has this feeling um I will never be okay like okay. That's what it feels like. Like that tone that emotion tone arises like and none of it's believed and yet it's everything. So in a sense there's no reason to believe it because it's true in that moment. It's like I will never be okay because if you start looking you're like cuz there's I and I is relating to some outside other and depends on that outside other to be okay and therefore I will never be okay. And I felt that fully and then that dissolved into just this. And I was like, "Whoa, man. [ __ ] That is painful. " And so you're kind of exposed again and again like a dog to its own [ __ ] Anything that's sticky, it's like, "Here you go. Look at that. Put your nose in it. " Yeah. You're whining and it's delicious. It really is. Um, hey Kathy, just putting dinner in the oven. Even we dead people got to eat. Dan says, "Nobody knows anything about what's going on. So, what is this? " Well, it's this. Of course, I know that and yet I know nothing. Hm. Perfectly said. I could not add a word to that. That's perfectly said. Alter Bridge says, "I worked on something the other day and she said on someone said, "It's it's like my torso fell off. I don't know how to walk. " And I said, "Uh, we'll all help you walk again. " Oh, that's gorgeous. I love that. break it down and start fresh. Guido SC says, "All this horrible pain humane humans put each other into is not

nothing. All this slaughter and brutality. It's terrible, isn't it? It's horrible. Like when I watch the news, I feel it. I feel it like fully. " Yeah. terrible stuff going on apparently as part of that dance, that story, that appearance that never really lands. Yes, you can construct that what you just said as truth. On another level, it's perfectly played out and couldn't be other than it is. And it's not at all what you can think. construct. And that means it's free to be exactly what it is, including good, evil, terrible, not terrible, autocrat, democrat, all that [ __ ] accommodates all views, cuz it's prior to any appearance of view. And this is not going to sound right. And you're going to say, "What about the children in Gaza? And what about the um people who lost their lives in Minnesota? And what about um uh uh this or that or whatever your belief is? " And here's the thing. Talk to someone who feels otherwise and they'll say the opposite [ __ ] So what's true? What's actually happening? We're constructing it. We're absolutely constructing. It's all perspectival from the view of whatever is there. So when you relax all views and see what that is, then you can come back and inhabit whatever view you want. Advocate for whoever you want. It's just you'll never really believe it. again as true. You'll believe it as provisional, something I can function with in this dream. And that's fine. That's important. You can take it sincerely. You won't take it seriously. That's just my experience. But I get riled up about [ __ ] all the time. It's not like I'm sitting here like Spock going, "Oh, a dead person there. " No, it's the opposite. You're filled with compassion like spontaneously and irrepressibly for human suffering. If that was happening in front of my face or I'm feeling the story, nothing but love will come out of me. Anger may arise as righteous anger. All this [ __ ] can happen. But it's spontaneous. Yeah. Pip says that I will never be okay is just a state. It resolves like any other. Exactly. And when I was feeling it, I was noticing exactly that, Pip. I was like, I will never be okay. Ooh, what a delicious texture that's arising. Cuz it's not really arising even. It's just like, you're never going to be okay. And it feels like it's everything because we dissolve into it as it at that point. But it's known to be just a texture because you've had that insight. It's like the this too will be gone. So, the word never can make sense. Um, Cassandra Lynch says, "Apparently people who go through genocide and stuff choose it because they're teachers. " Um, I don't know. Oh, you mean the genocide is a teacher? I don't know anything about choice. I don't think that. Like, I don't think we know nothing. Uh, that's my two cents. I don't know about any of that from here. It doesn't make sense. like um nothing makes sense. So, it's not very satisfying. I'm not a very satisfying uh person to talk to about that stuff. Christina Forest says, "This is public while live, but I think once it goes to pre-recorded, it's members only. " Did I make it public or unlisted? Oh [ __ ] I made it public, didn't I? I was wondering why there were so many people. Oh well, I guess it's public then. It's supposed to be public. I meant to give this only for uh Facebook um Awakening Channel people and my paying subscribers because they're really into this. So, I'm speaking very directly. But I guess it's public so that was supposed to happen. See, it's funny like even a microssecond of regret like, "Oh, whoops. I [ __ ] up. " Like it showed its little face. It was like whoop. And then it was just like no. This is what's happening. Awesome. So, we're public. Cool. That means my mom's watching this going to be like, "What do you mean you're having bad dreams? " It's like, "Oh shit. " Um Kathy says, "The mind can't tell time. So when you relieve past relive past trauma, it's as present as the day it happened. Once you work through it, you give your present self permission to release it. Only then will it you find peace. " Yeah. You feel it fully because you haven't been able to because the mind wants to compartmentalize it and

it's innocent. It's like protecting the child or protecting the young person or protecting the adult from that trauma at the time was adaptive. Now it's not adaptive. And the energy still, this is a way of speaking, wants to be fully accepted, fully loved for what it was, fully felt, and that's how it integrates. That's how it is allowed to do its thing. Otherwise, it's always just like knocking. Hey, that and this is a way of speaking. This isn't literally what happens, but this is like a framework for mentally understanding and emotionally understanding this that is kind of beyond those frameworks, these energies. This is my two cents. And I don't know anything. So you guys know when I'm talking, I'm sharing my experience. I'm interacting. We're having this kind of thing, but nobody really knows what the hell's going on. Just FYI. Especially me. No clue. Um, Cassandra says reincarnation, choosing things before we come. So, I have reincarnation too, like Ramdas and these guys and the Hindus, the Buddhists talk about that stuff. Sure, I guess anything's possible, but it's all an appearance. So, you can have as many lives as you want and they're all just as ephemerally no thing as this. So, I don't know. It's very hard for me to um care too much about that whether or not that's true because from here it doesn't matter. It's all just it's all this. Um I mean it's fun and it's interesting and I don't know what where the role of choice is because I can't find choice here apart from an appearance but that doesn't mean there isn't choice. Who knows? I don't know nothing. the question falls away is another way to say it. the idea is there choices there not choices there reincarnation is there not reincarnation I just go yes because I doesn't matter the whole question becomes moot but it's fun and some people go down the rabbit holes and I've gone down a lot of these rabbit holes you know for sure uh you know it's definitely a thing um yeah says the amount of post-traumatic growth I've been experiencing since practicing meditation has been astonishing my friends and family have noticed I'm level-headed and pragmatic. How levelheaded I'm pragmatic I've become. Yeah. I mean, this work is seemingly in this relative space is I've done a lot of it. It's fruitful. You you integrate these things that were otherwise hijacking your behavior and your emotions and your thoughts and now they lose the ability to do that. Instead, they're just loved into submission, you know. Um, hey Steve says, "I have these feelings of inadequacy. At times there is this sense of loneliness that also shows up. I seem to ask myself a lot these days, what feels unquestionable right now. " Yeah, brother. I, you know, Steve is a doc, too. It's like this inadequacy and all that. Like what I was talking about in my dream earlier, this idea that I I'll never be okay. Like I will never be okay. And the truth is here's the dirty secret. You won't cuz the when you're identified with this, it will never be enough. adequate. It will never be okay because this by nature is always seeking the next thing. It's always trying to outrun its own guilt, shame, unworthiness for most people. So then it's a question of what Steve's saying, well, what's unquestionably the case right now? And then you look and here's the thing is you can't even find anything. Like you're like, is this even happening? Like it's just this waterfall of radiance that's like light on a screen, but none of it's happening. It's just an appearance. And then it's like what am I? It's like even the question what am I kind of just goes to hell. It's like that's not a question that makes sense in the context of this. Does none of that make sense. Um Rosie says I think I can only compute some bits and pieces of the whole experience. Then you know what's interesting is just stop computing entirely. Just be like don't know, can't know, don't want to know. What is this now? Um, Pip says, "My counseling teacher used to ask me during a session when I expressed some pain or distress, he would say tasty. He has a great sense of humor. " That's how I feel about it when

I see someone. And I've sat with a lot of people lately. When I see someone and they're they start crying or they just look like they're in pain, f the first thing that happens is the heart opens like with love, concern and love. It's like natural compassion happens and then it's felt here because there's no separation like it's like oh this is my pain but it's not owned in a way and it's not happening to me. It's just pain. And then the third thing is, ooh, delicious. Like, this is great because this is what needs to happen. be felt. It's like the more uncomfortable it is, you're in the you're barking up the right tree. You really are. Cuz it's those things that we avoid. And we've been avoiding it all our lives. And now here's your chance. No more avoidance. It's uncomfortable. Great. That's like a beacon. It's a homing pigeon. Go there. That's a If you're going to pray, pray to that. be like, I pray that I will have the strength to go voluntarily lean into that which is most frightening and uncomfortable uh that's arising in this moment. I'm not going to go dredging it up. I'm not going looking in past and future because that's thought. If it's arising now, I want to go right into it. Like fall into it like you fall into a black hole to the point where you can't escape, where you get spaghettified by gravitational forces and turned into a singularity. Pop. What comes out the other side? Tasty. Bye. Lara. Um, Dan says, uh, I was talking to Cassandra. Uh, I'll let you guys chat. Maz says, "It's like a current that's just passing through. Watch and laugh. " Yeah, I mean, if you if you're lucky, you can laugh. I've been lucky a fair bit. Giggle at this stuff. I you know I tell you I have had so many great conversations with people lately and I I have been avoiding some people just because everything kind of feels heavy sometimes and sometimes it feels like people want something and lately after this kind of more and I've said 2026 is kind of the year for me where the heart has really opened whatever that means right whatever because I this is a way of speaking but it's like this natural compassion and desire to somehow be of service without anything in return has started to mature and I don't know why. And so now I I I go back and talk to these people and sit with them and it's just so beautiful like so much stuff comes unfolds and it's just oh and it goes into these difficult places and it's beautiful and there's no limit to what you can bear because it's not you doing it anymore. Ah, it's just gosh it it's strangely this is what we're looking for this kind of intimacy and yet this is what we defend against. So like we protect ourselves against the very thing we're looking for. Um yeah Patrick says psychology and spirituality are just different frames of reference about the same thing. I agree. They're just different ways of looking at the same. Yeah. Um, Timothy says, "I listened to one of your old live streams before this, threw this on, started driving, forgot this was live, then struck funny how it how it's experientially the same if I don't interact. " How interesting. So, in older videos, it feels the same if you if you just assume you're not interacting. Crazy. So, does it change then when you're actually interacting? Fascinating because I'm It's all dynamic. It's all relational. It's all like a dance, right? Oh, neat. Thanks for the comment. Um, Ashley says, "This heart opening stuff though. Holy crap. I'm with you on it even though there's no words that can be said about it. " Yeah, it's a trip, man. Timothy, uh, PS, I'm one of the non-members who slipped in. I'm really glad. See, this is every time it accidentally goes live to the public and I'm just intending to do a thing. Okay, let me Okay. Let me do a little confessional here. I didn't want to go live to the public today because I was talking to my friend um who's a good friend. They've been on the show before and we were feeling into how if we're not in a headsp space to talk about this stuff, it's better just not to. And we both agreed it's like it's just not okay to do that. Like and when I started the live where I was I want to hang out with my friends and talk some [ __ ] and uh if stuff arises that they want to talk about awakening we'll try but if I'm not feeling it I can't say much

about it. And then I guess I inadvertently went live to the whole public and I started talking and we were talking [ __ ] and then stuff came up and then it was very natural and authentic and like a flow and so it was meant to happen that way. Like isn't that beautiful? But it wasn't going to. It was just going to be me and the homies. That's a small group, right? So beautiful. Don't tell me this [ __ ] isn't orchestrated by no one for no one out of intelligent design by nothing. It's amazing. Um, geting nice the highway man. It's hard to know if I should just keep quiet. Sometimes that's the best thing, isn't it? Like it's always difficult if you're having to leave comments because you're getting into verbal space, but still sometimes the comment triggers the whole thing. So, I don't know. Oh, I encourage you guys to feel into what's right and do it. You have no choice actually. Hey, Rigpa. Serendipity Dudah. Beautiful. Yeah. Hey, George Shepherd. Good to see you, brother. Venus French. For me, I feel the difference uh if it's live or if it's recorded. Yeah, you know, I hardly do any recorded anymore. And if I even the little short videos that I do, they're all pulled from a live show uh using my little AI thing and then I tweak it and I put it out. I don't know about those shorts, man. Cuz they're all out of context. And then I watch them back and I'm like, that's not a good way to point at that [ __ ] But you know, YouTube likes content, so I was putting it out. But now I'm like, who cares what YouTube likes? If 10 people watch this thing, it's fine with me. I changed my name from Zdog to Zuben Demana. No one can pronounce that [ __ ] That's not a clickbait name. That's not like, you know, Zuben non-duality. And I sit here and talk about, you know, oh, this is the experience of this and that. It's like, no, I don't do no. Just zooming talking [ __ ] I don't know what the [ __ ] it is. No clue at all. Really happy you're here. Oh man. And you know, and the thing is, oh, so I was talking to this friend and they were saying, you know, it's interesting. You'll you'll do these videos and I watch and like you're just quick to laugh even at like these tragic things. You're just laughing. And I'm like, I didn't notice that. But that is true. And it's spontaneous. It's like, dude, this thing is not what you think. You can't I can't help but laugh because it's like not what you think. It's not this heavy [ __ ] It's just like when you really touch into it, you just can't help but laugh. For me, that's just how this body responds to that. It's like, whoa, [ __ ] Just giggle. Um Dan says, uh, "The universe that is nothing made it happen. " And I'm sure that the other non-members appreciate it. That's awesome. Yeah, I'm glad. New day says, "PS, uh, please, oh no, please talk more about embodying an emotion. How embodying an emotion affects people on your hiking trail. I'm terrified and equally intrigued. " Okay, this is now reproducible. I can say I've done an N of one trial of this where I I, you know, I do the seven mile walk like every other day and it's all flat, it's all paved, it's by this reservoir. If for people who live in the Bay Area, it's the Crystal Springs uh Sawyer Camp Reservoir. So, if you hike out there and you see me, say hi. Okay? And I'll walk it and I will experiment with my energetic state in the body. Like if I want to be kind of contracted and inward focused, I'll do that. And as I walk, no one will say a word as they pass. And that's the standard thing on this trail. It's like people generally don't talk to each other. They just mind their thing and do their thing. They're bikers, runners, hikers, walkers, people in stroll with strollers, like all kinds of people. But then if I decide, ah, I'm going to sit with this wide openen heart love thing where I'm just like totally melded into the environment and there's a subtle smile on my face usually because you can't help it. and I'm walking inevitably like people will just be like good morning and they almost sound surprised that they're saying it like it's crazy. So humans are these social creatures. There really isn't distance. There really isn't time and space. There really isn't separation. So if you really allow that and this is why most people we're early on conditioned not to because that degree of openness invites people to come in and if we're scared or we're dealing with our own [ __ ] or we're been hurt before by that. That is really scary. So we clamp it down. It's the same with making eye contact. It's the same, you know, like doing eye gazing. If you've ever done eye gazing with someone where you just like just make

uninterrupted relaxed eye contact constantly. It can really freak people out because it's so intimate. It feels like this boundaries are and there's so much conditioning around like don't look at me. It's really a trip. Um so yeah, I highly recommend experimenting with this if you can. But it has to be authentic. a real natural opening of the heart and energetic availability. And you'll know what I mean when you drop into it. It's just, oh, that's what he's pointing at. It's like that, like you kind of almost like you've taken MDMA or some empathogen, right? Um, it can feel like that, but without any drugs. Marathon says, "This reminds me of when I was unemployed and I had nothing to do. I would walk in the park and you wouldn't believe how many people came up to talk to me, help helping lost dogs with directions, etc. available. I do this I try to do this in different settings in cafes like at the supermarket and you're just shocked at how it opens things, right? But it can be too much, right? Especially if you're not you can't force it cuz if you're feeling contracted or whatever it's like, well, that's what's arising. No problem, but you're not going to be able to make yourself available in that way cuz that's not what's happening. Um, Pipananda says, "I call it projected presence where others pick up your energy or emotional state. " Yeah. And humans are good at that. I mean, [ __ ] horses can read us better than other humans. You know those horses that do math where they're scratching with their paw like you go, "Okay, what's uh 12 26 plus 405? " And the horse is like doing this and he stops when it reaches the number. Well, they figured out what that was. If the horse can't see the person asking the question, it gets the thing wrong. But when it sees the person, it's watching incredibly attuned to humans evolutionarily and through domestication. And he's watching and the human knows the answer. And as soon as they're getting close, it kind of slows down. It notices the human starting to contract. And when the human knows the answer, this thing picks it up. It's like almost like a truth detector, like a polygraph, and it stops cuz it's been taught. It learned that's when you stop and you're going to get the treat. And it does that. Isn't that remarkable? It's reading us. So, you don't think humans can read each other? Of course they can. You don't think there's energetic states that we don't know we're transmitting? Of course, there are. People talk about auras and things like that. Whatever you want to call it, it doesn't matter. It's a functional thing. It's functional. Don't make it real. It's a function of whatever this non-manifestation is. This another way to think about this reality is it's just a function. It's a wave function that's functioning. Nothing's happening. Just functioning. And that sounds like did I just contradict myself? No. There's nothing physical here that's interacting with anything. There's just a raw functioning that never lands, that never arrives, that never becomes a thing, that never becomes real, that has no permanence, has no true nature, has no inherent being. I really like to [ __ ] with you guys today. Now that I know I'm going to the public, too, it's like I just could go full on, man. Destabilize some people. oh man. Um, Alter Bridge says, "I couldn't look at uh someone I loved in the eyes for more than 10 seconds. I'll never forget the one time he said, "Look at me. I needed permission and it was so powerful. " Oh, yeah. It's harder with people you're intimate with. Absolutely. Absolutely hard with because those are the ones for whom the stakes are high. Apparently, it's like, "Oh, no, no. they really see me. If I'm that intimate, if I'm that vulnerable, I could lose them. That's what the unconscious is saying, the conditioning is saying. Yeah. So, it's harder what those we're closest with. You can do with a stranger. Like, if you're in a some retreat, it's like, let's do eyes gazing. It's still uncomfortable. I remember the first time I ever did it was at one of Angela's the first retreat I did with Angelo. You're supposed to make eye contact. And uh it was really hard. Although I was better at it because I had some practice just with a lot of meditation prior to that, but it was like still really kind of like, whoa, that was a trip and it's beautiful. It's like it's heart opening. Um, yeah. Kathy says, "That's why wearing a mask was so damaging. When I'm in a good mood, I smile at everyone and oh, OMG, the conversation in the grocery stores are wild. " Totally. Then you put a mask on, it [ __ ] everything up. It really

does. So, if you don't have to do that, you shouldn't do that. I mean, I get it when you know you're in the hospital and someone's got tuberculosis, you put the N95 on or whatever it is, right? Or you're sick and you don't want to make people sick. Fine. But like mandating it like in daycarees for kids and [ __ ] It's like, dude, what were we thinking? What were we doing? You know, it doesn't mean that you're trying to kill people. you hate science. It just means you understand that humans are transmitters and so you find a balance. Yeah, that's my two cents. That's a position, by the way, so hold it lightly. It's constructed and it means nothing. Um, the highway man, I have really hard time staring into my um GFS eyes. I don't know what GFS stands for. I always wondered why so is she. It probably means like significant other or something. A girlfriend maybe. I don't know. Um yeah, I and that's what it is. It's that intimacy is dangerous because something's at stake. That's my take. It could be something else, right? But that's why, you know, we tend to hurt the ones we love. We tend to be the most brusque with the ones we love because there's something at stake and we are defended. If we were fully open, like I it's a risk in a sense unconsciously for the body mind. It feels it. It's like it pulls back. That's my two cents. That's how it is with me. It's gotten a lot better because I'm aware of it. So now it's like oo a challenge. Tasty. Yeah. Um you got Carl and I in a staredown, but he started doing weird things with his mouth. Christina. Oh man, Carl. Oh, girlfriends. Okay, gotcha. GFS. Girlfriends. Gotcha. Um, that's what I figured. Maz Gilmore. Oh, talking to New Day, New Chance. Brits are hanging out. This is a British invasion. Rigpa, we tend to consume what we love. Yum, yum. Ooh. Also a beautiful way to say that. Um, Christina used to co-host Moon circles and we often incorporated two-minute eye gazing partnered. Yeah, you do it partnered. Yeah. I mean, it's powerful. So, this is what happens when I eye gaze. It's like it doesn't matter who it's with. Like, if I'm doing that and I'm looking right in the eyes, there's a It's funny. So, right now, I'm looking at the screen right behind the camera at my own eyes, and it doesn't have the same effect at all because it's clearly not a human. Like, this is a digital image. But there's like a just a heartopening like kind of emotion that happens for me. I feel it here and it rises and it does this kind of thing and it's really quite beautiful but it can be a little scary because you're just like what is this? Like where did this come from? Um but yeah it's absolutely gorgeous. I love it. I highly recommend it if you can do it. If you can practice eye gazing and again it's like a, you know, it has this little newagy vibe to it and all that stuff and oh my god, what the hell is Zog talking about? Just give it a shot energetically. Just feel what that is. It's really beautiful and it breaks down a lot of your defenses. It was I think it was important for me to do that stuff honestly because I was so defended and I didn't know I was defended. That's that's the thing. Dan says, "Loving yourself unconditionally helps a lot with uncomfortable situations like staring people in the eyes. It gives you a warming confidence that you can't get without loving yourself. " I agree. Ultimately, it's about self-love. It's about allowing yourself to be seen because you're okay with yourself. It's our fear that we're not enough, that we're unworthy, that we're broken, that we don't love ourselves that makes it difficult to make eye contact with intimates especially, I think. Like, please don't look, please don't look. You'll see what I see, which is bad. Yeah, something like that. Marathon says, "It's amazing how on retreat I could ask myself who am I and it was just this when I looked and now when I ask like I'm like completely blind and mind identified pro it's absolutely like that, right? Like on retreat if you do inquiry where you're like who am I and you look in immediate experience first of all immediate experience is just radiant presence and then you're just like whoa there's just the looking and there's no finding and they're just like oh and then you try it like off retreat when you're just going through your day and you're just like uh what I don't understand this it's just complete contraction guilty it happens it does a little bit of samadei a little

bit of uh unity of mind or um concentration or that juice that happens on retreat is so powerful. It's a powerful solvent that allows you to cut through a lot of these ob apparent obstacles of mind. I say apparent because it's all nonsense. It's all just appearance, but it sure feels real. Uh and then inquiry is like supercharged. Yeah, I'm with you. Um, Alyssum says, "Sometimes when I look at myself in the mirror, it gets kind of emotional, like I'm looking at a different version of me. It can be disarming. " Yeah, mirror gazing can be powerful. I The first retreat I ever did was like that. I was looking in the mirror and what was looking back at me was this super compassionate, loving creature. And I was like, "What the [ __ ] is that? " And I was like, "Oh, it's me. " And I just like crying and stuff. I was like, "What? That's me? " I couldn't believe it. that I couldn't accept it cuz my self-image was so bad or so like that's not who I am. It's crazy. It's beautiful stuff. Um Dan says the vibes are all different in everyday life. It takes practice to get in the same mindset in regular environments. Yeah, I think that's exactly right. Yeah, because the vibes I mean there's all this conditioning that comes back and all the distraction and the habits habit patterns come back. That's the main thing is the habit of looking at your phone and all this candied clouds. That's a beautiful handle. By the way, Zuben, I had multiple severe chronic illnesses and I was cured by the awakening process. What are your thoughts on this as a doctor? Could more people in the world be healed by awakening and not know it? Okay, so here's the thing. That's beautiful. I'm really glad that happened. I know this. The body changes. The mind changes. There's new conditioning. and the body, mind and physical stuff are all one non- happening. So that you would heal something that was there chronically. It doesn't surprise me. Also possible and I've seen this again and again is chronic pain arises starts different like chronic fatigue syndrome long COVID like all kinds of things seem to happen in people that are very very far down whatever this unfolding is. It's almost like they're unable to separate from the environment and there's a kind of a synchrony. Who knows what it is? Like this has been speculated on. So both things are possible. The key thing is just have no fixed idea of what could happen. So like if you try to sell awakening as like you're going to cure your um fibromyalgia or something, I think that can be very harmful because then first of all it's a carrot. Second of all, it's the seeker gets activated. Third of all, but like what happened with you is like the awakening thing happens and like the chronic illnesses are gone. It's like whoa. So for me, what started to happen is whoa, I naturally lost weight. Uh I naturally have better endurance. But then what else happened? My sleep got terrible. If you're going to put a qualitative label on sleep, I don't sleep much. But it's okay. That's the thing is it's not a problem. It's like, okay, I don't sleep. It's like awareness is like tuned up. It's like always kind of like dream and waking is not distinguishable in some sense. And some people go, "Well, I don't want that. " It's like, but when it happens, you're just like, "Oh, yeah, this too. No big deal. " So, it there's just no telling, but things happen. That's for sure. Some people nothing happens. They can't tell a difference. And yet suffering is like 20x less than it was. Yeah. Um, let's see. Venus says, "I became more sensitive with awakening, both good and bad. Now I can't tolerate fragrance. This is hard. " Yeah, I hear you. That can definitely I I'm definitely much more sensitive to people's emotional states. Um, especially my kids. Like when my kids are having a bad time, I it's just like, oh, I feel the whole thing. And I used to try to do something about it. Now I'm just like, "No, just be present. There's nothing you can do. Just feel it. It's fine. It'll pass. Everything passes. " But yeah, it's uncomfortable. Oh man, I started yawning. I'm yawning live at the Acropolis. Um, Alter Bridge says, "As a m as a massage therapist, I have clients that say, you fixed healed me. I always say I'm the helper, not a healer. " That's beautiful. You're like the catalyst, right? You hold the space. They're healing themselves. Beautiful, beautiful. Thanks for what you do. Um, let's see. Rigpa says, "When you know the game is rigged, you are unbburdened of attachment to winning. " Oh, I like that. That's really good. That is really good. The game is rigged

meaning you never had control. You just never had control. So, you lose the attachment to winning. So, when winning happens, great. When losing happens, fine. You still might play the game and may have a lot of fun playing it. It's like you could argue politics. You could discuss the merits of this or that. You could get angry, but there's no attachment to any outcome of it. It's like whatever happens because the game is rigged. You meaning the whole universe is just doing this thing, this non-doing. So relax. Oh, I made Kathy yawn. It's social yawning. Stevie G. Zack says, "Ever listened to Awaken the World movies by Daniel Schmidt. When I'm in uh Mind Identification, watching you and watching his movies grounds me like none other from a fellow Zdog MD. I'm an endocrine. " Oh man, Zog. Um, first of all, Stevie, whenever I see a doctor here, this is conditioning, but like I just get a little burst of dopamine. cuz I know how my people suffer and to see them here and open to this is it just it makes me feel like um we are walking each other home like really. Next you were saying Awaken the World. Yes, I've seen some of those. They're um really enjoyable and they can really kind of point uh because they're well done, you know. Uh what I found now is it's hard for me to watch any of that stuff because it just feels like but that that's just another you know that's just what's arising now. But those are great and um I forget if Angelo is really into those too. I think he was sharing those around. I may be misremembering. Um not that like you know anybody's in authority on anything. That's the other thing. Let go of anything that you think anybody knows anything. You're the only where you are. That's everything. That's the whole universe. Everybody else are figments of your projection. So just be aware you can trust you. Yeah. And don't worry about mind identification. Don't worry about it. If that's what's arising, hey man, then you're mind identified. That's even a story. I'm mind identified. That's a story. It's just no this sense, this uncomfort, this friction, this feeling of I'm contracted. It's all just appearance. It's fine. It'll go too. And when you die, it's all going to go. And whatever is after that is going to be after that if there's an after because there's no time. So, is anything lost? Is anything gained? Was anything born? Does anything die? Has anything ever happened? Does it matter? What if you're already dead? What is this? Oh, so many questions, no answers, and then the questions don't make sense. Brent Monroe says, "Free will versus no free will always seemed to puzzle me. Your thoughts? I've talked about this many times, but I'll say this. The fact that you're puzzled is the answer, which is the question itself makes no sense. So free will, meaning something that makes a choice. Maybe that can appear. No free will, you can look and try to find the choice maker, the self that's making the choice, can't find it. Look neuroscientifically, try to find the center of choice in the brain. There isn't one. You could say all causes and conditions in the universe lead to a choice happening, but there's no chooser. All those things are nonsense. In the end, from the realization that none of this is happening in the way you think, there's no choice, no chooser, no free will, no non-free will, and there's all those things simultaneously. The whole question just goes poof and you stop worrying about it because there is no they're just functioning. There's just the functioning of this no thing. And even that's making something out of something that's not makeable. hard to talk about this [ __ ] So, but we try. Whatever. It's fun. Um, Girkin says, "What would happen when all people in the world would get awake? " Uh, would the universe be say, "Okay, you did it. " Or will we get thrown into BS level two? Dive in and try to get awake. Yeah. See, so even that question like what you're asking like waking up the world, what happens when enough humans wake up? We're going to get the age of Aquarius, the new age, all this stuff. to me from here those questions just don't even make any because nobody wakes up there was nobody there's no awakening there's just a story that's told in the functioning I woke up I if you ask me now have you had awakening did you wake up are you awakened have you been liberated are you enlightened I will just look at you like no [ __ ] my wife is the same way she's I have no idea what that means. Like that does just from whatever this functioning is it just doesn't make sense at all. And yet in the functioning

in the story there's an apparent journey and apparent shifts of perception and realization and insight and apparent seeing through self and apparent but who's doing that? Cuz when you see through all that you realize there was no you seeing through nothing and there was no all that. It's very very strange. So I don't I have no I have nothing to say about when the world wakes up because as far as I'm concerned the world is a projection of mind and it can do anything it wants. It's not it has no reality beyond the mind construction. So does that mean you're nihilistic and you're crazy and you go and kill people? Uh try it. See if you can pull that off. If you're not conditioned to do that, it's just simply not going to happen because the natural response to this is pure unadulterated uncompat unconditional love. That's been my experience. But your mileage may vary. I've known nothing about anything. Um, yeah, Maz, there's nobody to wake up. I mean, That's the awakening. It's such a circular lizard eating its tail. Snake eating its tail. I got to wake up. I woke up. I realized there's nobody here to wake up. I need to wake up. It's like It's like, dude, just forget it. Just drop it. Just look at what's happening right here, right now. See if it's really happening. See what you can find and experience. Is there an eye? Is there a sense of eye? Seems to be okay. sit in that for a while. sit there a long time if you can as much as you can. The minute you start thinking you're a thought or a body or whatever, just go back. Oh, I just I the pure sense of I do it enough and see if I even is existing or is that a vibrating no thing that comes and goes then you're done. Um, Cassandra talking to Kathy about hippies. Highway man says maybe we wake down, get grounded in love. So that's a way of speaking, right? Up, down, grounded, all that. It's just story that we tell, but it can ex the experiences along the way can feel like that. But this that we're pointing at the fundamental nature and I use the term nature. What is your true nature? Not who you are cuz that doesn't make sense because that's identity lang linguistically speaking. So what is your true nature? What is the nature of what this is? Look there. What is this? What is the nature of I? Oh, you'll go right off a cliff if you're if you just sit there. Ignore the distractions. Go, yeah, that's appearance. I have the sense of I am. What is that? What's that appearing in? And don't try to find something. Just keep looking. Pop. Everything stops. Gone. Completed. Beyond. Gate. Paragate. Parasam. Gate. Bodhic. Vaha. Gone, gone beyond, gone far beyond, awaken. So be it. That's what that's pointing at. The heart sutra. There is no suffering. There is no end of eye, ear, nose, throat, consciousness, none of that. There's no wisdom to attain. This just this is the prna parameita, the wisdom beyond. Hey, it's good [ __ ] man. Rigpa, I engage politically because I engage politically. However, I deolarize which I guess is a different polarity. It's me eating my humanity experience this. I love it. I love it, man. You're living your Rick is Ricking, right? You're the Rickest Rick of them all, man. MAMA MARTY, I'M MARTY. OH, YEAH. OH, GEEZ, RICK. OH, GEEZ. PIPONANDA

just keep looking. Weird things start happening. Yep, that's it. Just keep looking until there's nothing but the looking. Just the looking. Looking. What's looking? No, just looking. Gone. And then here where there's no here, there's no gone. There's no there. There's no nothing. There. Just what? Oh lord. I love it. This is where people are like, "You need to find Jesus. " Facebook is full of these clowns, man. It's like, dude, read the words that Jesus actually said, and you'll see that we're saying the same thing. the kingdom of heaven, the kingdom of God. A rich man passing through the eye of a needle or a camel needle. A rich man getting into the kingdom of heaven. Rich with concepts, rich with story, rich with rules, rich with belief, can't get into heaven. Heaven is right here, right now, eternally. I and the father are not to like so much beautiful. Oh Jesus. Yeah. That's Christianity as far as I'm concerned. And I don't know [ __ ] But yeah, the nattering neighbors of Christianity love to leave comments on my uh Instagram and Facebook like, um, I'm praying for you, Zuben. One day you'll see the bliss that Jesus gives you. And I'm like, I guess you're not seeing the piece that passes all understanding that's right in front of your face. Oh, the projection machine. We're all good at it. We're really good at it. Um Ashley says, "It's really funny when uh they think those comments will get to you all of a sudden. Devote yourself to Christianity. " That's my favorite part of those comments. Yeah, they think like I mean, what is it? It's no different than virtue signaling, right? Like, I'm a good Christian and I need to say this about this heathen. He'll find his way. I'm praying for you. I'm glad you're praying for me. That's actually beautiful. That's compassion. But be careful cuz where is it coming from? Is it coming from fear? defending a belief or a story or an identity? So, what happens when those all die? Because you're going to die someday. You don't know when it is. Could be tomorrow. You're going to die. and all that's going to die. So then what? What's here when all that dies? What's prior to all that? What was Jesus pointing at? What was Jesus? Raven of the Wild. When I was three, my grandma told me I had to let Jesus into my heart. It terrified me that I had to get an adult to make inside of me and to get an adult into my heart. Yeah, that is kind of scary. You're like, let this big grown guy with a beard and long hair into your heart. So, I talked to someone recently um who's undergoing the whole awakening thing and whatever that is, right? And they were saying when they were young, they were told that God can hear your thoughts. And so they asked, "So does that mean they can hear my bad thoughts, too, and that I could go to hell if I have bad thoughts? " And their grandma told them, "Yeah. " Now, think of what that does to like a young child. This young girl was just like basically made an enemy of her own thoughts because when a bad thought would arise, she would self flagagillate herself, feel all this guilt, try to wall the thing off, try to push and pull on her thoughts and then grew up with anxiety, depression, all the stuff around um guilt and trying to be good and all of that. And then the funniest thing happened when awakening um happened for her in this way and it was very subtle actually. It wasn't like a big bang like explosion. It was like oh she just giggles about it and she's like yeah of course the thoughts are this kind of foreign thing because they're not me. Yeah, I have no control of them, but like yeah, it was like she was pointing it at like these thoughts are kind of bad in the sense that I believe them. I believe them to be me. And so I forget exactly how she said it. She said it really beautifully. I'm probably torturing this thing or distorting it, but she was like, "Yeah, the thoughts are absolutely good, bad, and different, whatever within the duality. They have nothing to do with what I am. Like nothing at all. "

And so she could see that now it's like whoa and just kind of smile about it. Um yeah, the Gospel of Thomas uh Pip Christian Zen. That's exactly what it is. The I guess they were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. this Gnostic gospel um where basically it's a bunch of sayings by Jesus that are basically like a Zen monk is saying them. I think they were found in the 40s or something. I forget. Correct me people who know cuz I don't know [ __ ] And yeah, he would say things like the kingdom of God is spread upon the earth yet men do not see it. Like that's about as it gets. Um, yeah. Marathon Monk says, "I never thought about rich, being rich with concepts and stories. That's pretty interesting and a great pointer because I obsessively read and consume. " Yeah. A rich man is as likely to get into heaven as pushing a camel through the eye of an eagle or something. I don't know the exact quote. I'm butchering it. But the idea is that it's not rich as in necessarily money. Although again, that's like attachments. It's rich with attachment to belief, to stuff, to love, to compassion. Like being attached in that way to those things, to those stories, to those beliefs, to those things you think are real. That is the obstruction to getting into the kingdom of heaven, which is this freef fall of unknowability, pure acceptance of what's arising because there's nothing to push and pull on it. Yeah. Christina says, "The concept of enemy and devil seem to fall away. It's all God. " Yeah. It's all God. The devil, God doing a dance of duality. And beyond that is like, "Yeah, but you know, people have their beliefs, and that's okay. But if you think you're going to convince me of your belief, I don't even believe my beliefs anymore. " So yeah, Anthony Dlo is amazing. Cassandra, uh, Catholic priest. Yeah, he's really amazing. Ada Shanti talks about Anthony Dlo quite a bit. He tells a story about ah I won't repeat it. You'll have to just you'll have to read it plus I'll butcher it. Um, Pippenana says, "There's a chapter in my book, Games of Magic, on dealing with pain and distress using non-resistance and non-attachment. These are methods of identity transcendence. " Beautiful. So, you're giving people tangible tools. You can find his book on Amazon, Games of Magic by Dennis Alop, Also. Um, everybody's yawning now, Ashley. Uh, Brent says, "When I'm in physical and emotional pain, I tend to get very self-centered. your thoughts on pain. Oh, me too. Yeah. Everything contracts down into the energetic center of that pain. Now, there are um it can be a beautiful practice when you have pain to just feel it fully as the witness as awareness. So, that's a good exercise we were talking about earlier, but standing as awareness or like resting as eye and just feeling it as just pure energy, just this energetic without a story. So, stories arise, let it go. Go back to the pain. Just go right there. Attention fully in the pain and let it just with no resistance like this is fine. Nothing wrong with this. Just go fully into the pain. Just let it absolutely including the veilance of it that this feels terrible. Like let that be a veilance that you see like terribleness. That's another appearance. Terribleness. It's like the judgment appearance. Let that be. No problem. And then just feel it. And that's a good exercise. Doesn't make the pain go away. doesn't um heal whatever is broken there. If there's something broken, you broke a bone, that shit's going to hurt. But it somehow changes everything in terms of the resistance element that causes the contraction. Um you know, it's like the Buddha said, right? Like the first arrow is inevitable. You're going to get shot. That happened. There's pain that comes with that. The second arrow is that shouldn't have happened. Oh my god, I'm going to die. Who did this to me? How do I get them back? Like all that. That's the second mind. Zen master bank talks about or bankai ba n k ei talks about this in terms of this unborn reality like everything is unborn meaning it never really happens. It's happening as an appearance and it's orchestrating itself. So Zen, the Zen master says everything is perfectly managed in the

unborn. Not meaning there's a creator that's managing it. Meaning it's already taken care of. It's doing itself as a functioning. And therefore, you don't need to create second mind that tries to push and pull because it's not it just not going to help. It's going to cause suffering. That's it. So second mind second arrow everything when next time you're having pain this everything is perfectly managed in the unborn even this pain it's just part of the functioning of the entire universe is showing up as this energetic I'm feeling and I'm not even feeling it it's just that and then at some point even the sense to be able to witness it goes and then you're just the pain just that's everything but it's no longer pain It's just what it is. And boy, that's a trip. I practice that at the dentist because those [ __ ] drill on you. It's like, whoa, I could take that seriously. I could resist that. I could tell stories about that. There's plenty of second arrows around here. What if I just go, okay, feel that fully. That's everything. Whoa. It can almost feel at times it can feel ecstatic. That's how strange it is. Almost like a masochist would feel. Strange stuff. Doesn't cure it. still going to feel pain. You're not getting out of that. This is life. It's how it is. Nothing magical. Um, Alter Bridge says, "I have a peripheral nerve stimulators for both knees and they're complete miracles for me. Takes eight uh to a one less than in a minute. " Oh, yeah. From an eight to a one. In less than a minute and I can do stairs without pain, which is which I've never experienced. That's awesome. That's really awesome. Something that works for you. That's great. Yeah. I mean, pain is biocschosocial as my friend Rachel Zoffnness has said. She has a new book apparently. Um, it's biological. There's a something there in the body apparently. It's psychological. There's something in the mind that's telling stories that second arrow. And it's um social. There's like a social component like of how we're conditioned to believe about things about our pain and validation and fear and all that. So, it's all those things. And you're handling the biologic component which is helping the psychologic component which is great. Um, yeah, Morgana finds the dentist quite relaxing. I generally do now. I didn't used to. Um, Girkin says, "So, the thoughts trauma in the kid turns into something helpful. I have to gaslight people that God is hearing your thoughts tomorrow. " Yeah, do that. Go gaslight a bunch of people like God is listening to your thoughts, so you better watch out what you think. Like, you can control what you think. Thoughts just arise. You're not in control of that. Nobody is. The whole universe is showing up as your thought arising. Pissed. Get pissed at the universe. The universe is a dick. Universe has all kinds of terrible thoughts. The highway man. I uh did that at the dentist once. I almost fell asleep in the pain. I don't know if that was good or bad. Yeah, I know. Pain is a warning sometimes, but at the dentist you have no choice. It's kind of like it's going to happen. Um yeah, that's right, Dennis. I guess dental work can be tasty, too. And that is a great way to wrap up our show today cuz we've been going for a while. Yeah. How long we've been going? It doesn't tell me. Excuse me. Um, this was a lot of fun. I'm really glad it just went live to the whole public. Excuse me. I think I have allergies now. Like there's pollen already happening here cuz spring comes early on account of whatever is going on and it's like dude why um oh an hour and a half. Wow Ashley that's a long time. Damn. Thanks you guys. Sue says starting to feel what total exertion means. Yeah the total exertion. Dogen talks about this. Zen master brought Zen from [ __ ] from China into Japan properly. Every moment is the total exertion of the universe. the total exertion. It's everything showing up as this. It's there's no separation. Everything's interdependent in that way. It's all just every moment. Um, all right, gang. I love you. This was really, really awesome. You guys are amazing. Really amazing. Like, the comments are so good. You guys are so awesome. I like I'm deeply grateful for this because it helps me too to kind of just whatever this is. Until next time. Hey, smash that like button since this is to the public. Hit turn the notification bell on. Share it with your friends. Subscribe to our supporter tribe at zdogmd. com/suporters. For $5 a month, you can have this. Or don't. It really doesn't matter. But I love you guys anyways. Uh, peace out. Bye.