Pi Is a Ratio. So How Can It Be Irrational?
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Pi Is a Ratio. So How Can It Be Irrational?

polymathematic 13.05.2026 5 252 просмотров 296 лайков

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Pi is, by definition, the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. Pi is also, famously, irrational, which we're told means it can't be expressed as a ratio. So which is it? Check out the channel! @polymathematic The problem is the casual definition of "irrational" that gets handed out in middle school: a number that can't be written as a ratio. By that wording, pi can absolutely be written as a ratio. It's literally defined as a ratio. Take any circle, measure the distance all the way around it (the circumference), measure the distance across it through the center (the diameter), and divide. The result is always pi. So if "irrational" means "not a ratio," pi has a real problem. The fix is small but important: irrational doesn't mean "not a ratio." It means "not a ratio of two integers." Consider √2. We can easily prove that the square root of 2 is irrational. That is, that it cannot be written as the ratio between two integers. But you can absolutely put √2 into a ratio: √2 divided by 1 is a ratio. Every number, irrational or not, can be expressed as itself divided by 1. So "can it be put into some ratio" is a useless test. Every number passes it. The test that actually distinguishes irrational from rational is whether you can express the number as a ratio where the numerator and the denominator are both integers. Like root 2, pi is provably irrational, meaning provably not equal to any ratio of two integers. So when we say pi is the ratio of circumference to diameter, we're telling the truth. Pi is that ratio. The catch is that the circumference and diameter of a circle will never both be integers. For any circle whose diameter is a whole number, the circumference is irrational, and vice versa. #piday #irrationalnumbers #mathmisconceptions Watch more Math Videos: Math Minis: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrc8spN1b3jkQynJ5heNvSs72gCPj_hwj Math Minutes: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrc8spN1b3jmVFYwHiuMzCYJ0y_yiwUge Number Sense: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrc8spN1b3jksKkY_oarNFEFAHjrIV97U MATHCOUNTS: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrc8spN1b3jlqDkZXtby9lnEaOBy7-ZY0 Follow Tim Ricchuiti: TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@polymathematic Mathstodon: https://mathstodon.xyz/@polymathematic Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/polymathematicnet Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/user/polymath-matic Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/polymathematic

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So, pi is an irrational number, which means it can't be a ratio, expressed as like this over that. However, pi is the circumference over the diameter, which is a ratio. It certainly is true that pi is definitionally the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter. That is, for some circle, if we measure the longest distance across that circle, the distance that goes through the center from end to end, and we compare that to the distance around the circle, the thing that we call the circumference, the result of that comparison, when we divide the circumference by that diameter, is always pi. So, if pi is definitionally a ratio, how is it that we can say pi is an irrational number? The first thing to say is we can't really define an irrational number as a number that can't be put into a ratio, because there's no such thing as a number that can't be put into some ratio. Consider other irrational numbers like, say, the square root of two. two is definitely irrational. Pythagoras killed a guy over showing that it was irrational. But, it's certainly not the case that we can't put it in a ratio, because we can just ratio over one. Every number can be expressed as itself divided by one. So, if what we mean by irrational is it can't be put into a ratio, then we're just saying there are no irrational numbers. Our definition for irrational numbers is not that they can never be put into a ratio, but that they can't be expressed as the ratio between two integers. Going back to root two, for example, one of the problems with root two is that we can get really close to its value with a ratio between integers, but we never get exactly its value. It's close, but not quite equal to 14 over 10. And, it's even closer, but not quite equal to 141 over 100. 1,414 over 1,000. We can express a rational number that is as close to root two as you could possibly want, and yet is not exactly equal to root two because we can show root two is irrational. We can show it's impossible to express root two as the ratio between two integers. Similarly with pi, although there are many ratios we can use to express a number very close to pi, 22/7 for example is a very common approximation for pi, and in fact it's an even better approximation for pi than 3. 14. That is, the ratio 22/7 is even closer to pi than the ratio 314/100. But 22/7 still isn't exactly pi, and no matter how you try to approximate it with a rational number, a ratio between two integers, you'll never express exactly what pi is. And that's what makes pi an irrational number.

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